"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061373518 (Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280])
can you point out where I called you a radical leftist, or claimed all muslims, or even a majority, were radical?
Are you are inferring I or anyone else here is trolling? Yes you are.
Because everyone on 'my side' is answering with facts/elaboration. How about you?
All you (and others) strawman-ed was the usual/tiring/inaccurate "someone said all ALL muslims are radicals/terrorists." Floated and shot down already.
You are welcome to respond (for him) instead of repeating his inaccurate/nonresponsive post and using it as a segue to insult.
I didn't call him Left or Right, so let's see if we can play ON TOPIC/factually instead of high-fiving a post that was inaccurate and then re-stuffed; the debate ended.
Last edited by mbig; 01-21-13 at 03:35 AM.
I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
Extremists are extremists no matter which end of the political spectrum they devolve from. The sad part of this is that I doubt that any of them understand that such a broad based stance on a given issue is exactly what leads to such things as assault weapon bans and other infringements on the rights of law abiding people. For them the mere prospect of a given action is enough to justify sanctions. It's an easy way out for people who find it difficult to differentiate between the individual the ideology.
Lutherf, did you take the time to read the survey I posted? Seems rather unfair to simply dismiss people as extremists without actually addressing what they say and the evidence it is based on.
Also, while I understand it's needlessly polorizing to caste the entirety of the Islamic world as some grand villian (which I made rather clear was NOT my argument), it also doesn't further anything by simply dismissing information we find uncomfortable.
And needless to say, acknowledging that there are very real issues in the Islamic world, beyond a fring element of radical extremists doesn't presuppose anything beyond it's mere existence as a fact, and not some supposed ideal solution you cooked up in your own head. As you assert above
Last edited by Dr. Chuckles; 01-21-13 at 12:07 PM.
I absolutely acknowledge that extremism in Islam exists and impacts practitioners of the faith but that impact is FAR more exaggerated in theocratic states than it is in secular ones. That simple fact would indicate that the issue of extremism is much more a function of the state than it is the faith.
One must not forget that Islam, far more than with any of the other Abrahamic religions, tends to be tied to governance and it is government that provides the coercive power over the people.
2) "it still makes a clear distinction between Muslims in secular states and those in theocratic ones"
- what is the criticism here?
3) " I mean, think about it, even if you are a moderate, if your survey comes from your local Mullah who is politically connected are you going to give a straight answer or are you going to give the "right" answer just so that the goons don't come and rape your wife in the middle of the night.
-3 Some of the worst numbers on Apostasy came from Egypt while still under Mubarak, a fiercely secular regime. Secondly, the survey was conducted by PEW, an organization with a long regarded reputation of excellence in what they do. So I doubt anyone but trained professionals are administering them
Not to mention, you're ignoring that most of the secular states, with Islamic majorities, are only secular due to the forceful hand of their govt, as opposed to some popular movement born on the street.
But acknowledging either of those does not presuppose locking up someone simply because they are Muslim, namely because it acknowledge the issue is one of interpretation, and this interpretation isn't a monolithic system of thought within the religion and it's people.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061374743 (Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280])
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061373355 (Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280])
so clearly trying to equate my remarks on fundamentalism, with those on radicalism, doesn't hold water.