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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's your point?

    Everyone in the world already knows that.

    Our problem is with those who are terrorists, or potential terrorists. or who would change our laws and customs through intimidation and riots.

    This is not a complicated issue and no race is involved. It is all about a religion.
    Ah, so the "you're a leftist" claims had nothing to do with my actual beliefs, they were just insults lobbed at me like grenades. Gotcha.

    And no, not everyone in the world knows that. There are a lot of people, especially on this forum, that believe that islam as a whole is violent, and that the sole goal of muslims worldwide is to destroy christianity and the west.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah, so the "you're a leftist" claims had nothing to do with my actual beliefs, they were just insults lobbed at me like grenades. Gotcha.

    And no, not everyone in the world knows that. There are a lot of people, especially on this forum, that believe that islam as a whole is violent, and that the sole goal of muslims worldwide is to destroy christianity and the west.
    Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?
    I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent. The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.
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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent. The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.
    But that was not the question. Here it is again.
    Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Much of Islam is violent, and many Islamists are out to destroy Christianity and the West as well as, of course, Israel and Jews. Do you deny that?
    It appears to me that piracy and banditry are masquerading as Islamic jihadists. Radical Islam sucks, but it is the Sunni branch of Islam, or Wahabis in Saudi Arabia that seem to be the core of the problem, or not?

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But that was not the question. Here it is again.
    It depends on if you're talking about many in pure numbers, or many in percentile. Let's say a million muslims want to destroy the west. You could say, MAN, that's a LOT! But then you could put it in perspective of 2 billion muslims, and it becomes .05%, which no, is by no definition a lot.
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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I deny that anywhere near a majority of muslims are violent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I was responding to your remarks about turkey and secularism. But the survey also has a section on support for "Harsh Punishment" that certainly raises eyebrows

    <<<About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; 70% of Muslims in Jordan and 56% of Nigerian Muslims share this view. Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries, as do 65% of Muslims in Nigeria and 58% in Jordan.

    When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.

    Opposition to whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and to the death penalty for people who leave Islam is even more widespread in these three countries; 86% of Muslims in Lebanon, 82% in Turkey and 61% in Indonesia are against making harsh punishments for robbery and theft the law in their countries, and 93%, 91% and 64%, respectively, object to the death penalty against those who leave the Muslim religion.>>>

    same survey
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061370887


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The number of radical muslims of the 2 billion muslims in the world is exceptionall small. We're talking about 1 out of every 3 people in the world is muslim, yet maybe a million radicals are trying to destroy the west.
    actually support for radicalism, though seemingly maintaining a minority, can represent a pretty significant segment of the population within some countries (i recall seeing figures like 20% before for support, maybe more). But the real issue is hardcore fundamentalism which does seem to represent a majority, or very close to it

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It appears to me that piracy and banditry are masquerading as Islamic jihadists. Radical Islam sucks, but it is the Sunni branch of Islam, or Wahabis in Saudi Arabia that seem to be the core of the problem, or not?
    When Muslims are murdering little girls on their way to school, hanging Gays from lampposts with thousands cheering, stoning women to death after they have been raped, and so on, then their particular sect of Islam matters little to me.

    If there is an Islamic sect which is vocally critical of any sect who specializes in these atrocities I'd love to hear from them.

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It appears to me that piracy and banditry are masquerading as Islamic jihadists. Radical Islam sucks, but it is the Sunni branch of Islam, or Wahabis in Saudi Arabia that seem to be the core of the problem, or not?
    Deobandi Islam

    the hindutva(sp) movement in india developed in response to the same pressure and developed many of the same core principles, like a deep ingrained hated of things deemed foreign. Go figure

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    re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061370887




    actually support for radicalism, though seemingly maintaining a minority, can represent a pretty significant segment of the population within some countries (i recall seeing figures like 20% before for support, maybe more). But the real issue is hardcore fundamentalism which does seem to represent a majority, or very close to it
    Don't get me wrong, I think both islam and christianity as religions are horrifically violent. I however still can't justify calling 1 out of 3 human beings on earth violent for the actions of a few radicals.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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