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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. As we all should know, it often what you do and say to cover something up that sinks you. If she believed what she had done was on the up and up (in the context of later working as a middle school teacher), she wouldn't have had to cover it up.



    Indeed, and that's precisely on point. That allows for community standards to fill in the blanks. That would be up to local school boards.



    I think that's off a bit. The essential question is does this community want to hire as middle school teachers those who have had violent and/or humilating sex for money on camera. In this case the answer is no. I'd imagine there are folks in the community who aren't particularly religious who feel the same.



    I have as well, but none of them have I ever thought for one moment, this is a person I want to be teaching my young children/grandchildren.
    She didn't tell them in advance because it was not relevant to her ability to do her job and she knew, like we all do, that she would be likely to face discrimination.

    Should gays have to volunteer the fact that they were gay so it can be used against them? Would it be wrong for them to leave a job off their resume because they worked for a gay bar or organization?

    So far, no one has addressed the question of gays, who until very recently were routinely fired for ALL OF THE EXACT SAME REASONS AND EXCUSES-that some people dissaprove of what they do and it would be a distraction.

    The type of sex she had on-camera is immaterial, we all know she would have gotten fired even if it was soft core "couples" porn. People are using the type of sex she had to paint her as more despicable for their argument, but they still would have fired her even if it wasn't considered extreme porn.


    Also, no one has addressed other scenarios that show how blurry the line of morally acceptable can be. Which of these teachers should be fired? Which should be fired for not disclosing their status?

    The gay guy who is a gogo dancer in a bar on weekends? (genitals not exposed)
    A woman who many people think is a porn star, but she wasn't, she just looks like a particlar one?
    A former porn star that changed his/her appearnce enough so that no one knows except you, the decision maker?
    A woman who was in Girls Gone Wild flashing her tits during spring break ten years ago?
    The guy who used to drink too much and get into bar fights who is now sober?
    A married couple who go to swing parties?
    Someone who puts their picture on Craigslist looking for sexual partners? What if they didn't show their face, but someone recognizes them anyways?
    A Muslim man who publicly calls the US government evil for killing and torturing Muslims?
    A Muslim woman who always wears a scarf over her hair? Or one who wears even more traditional conservative Muslim clothing?
    Mixed gender roommates who don't have sex with each other, but people assume that they do?
    More than two mixed gender roommates who do have sex with each other?
    A woman who had a baby that was conceived before she got married?
    A couple who live together and have kids and aren't married?

    Would your answer be different if a story in the newspaper outed these people?


    I guess I've met a better class of sex workers and former sex workers that you did.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Look at the OP if that's what you require. The panel's determination and her firing is that proof.
    that is simply not true

    it MAYBE true but the OP nor this thread provides any factual evidence/proof.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    that is simply not true

    it MAYBE true but the OP nor this thread provides any factual evidence/proof.
    The FACT that she IS fired and for the reasons that she was in porn and did not disclose and lied about it, AND that firing is upheld by the panel, IS proof her behavior is not consistent with her contract. That's precisely what the determinig decision was all about.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The FACT that she IS fired and for the reasons that she was in porn and did not disclose and lied about it, AND that firing is upheld by the panel, IS proof her behavior is not consistent with her contract. That's precisely what the determinig decision was all about.
    nope, thats an ASSUMPTION, this is not proof of that anywhere in this thread
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Should gays have to volunteer the fact that they were gay so it can be used against them? Would it be wrong for them to leave a job off their resume because they worked for a gay bar or organization?
    No, and you should have known better than to ask such a silly question. Homosexuals are a protected class and have been for longer in California than nationally. Porn stars, not so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The type of sex she had on-camera is immaterial, we all know she would have gotten fired even if it was soft core "couples" porn. People are using the type of sex she had to paint her as more despicable for their argument, but they still would have fired her even if it wasn't considered extreme porn.
    She may have still been fired for soft porn and coverup/lies. Maybe not. We don't know that because she wasn't in soft porn. But yes, a line does exist. It's drawn by the community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Also, no one has addressed other scenarios that show how blurry the line of morally acceptable can be. Which of these teachers should be fired? Which should be fired for not disclosing their status?

    Questions that are answered by school boards across the country with regularity. As this one was here.

    The gay guy who is a gogo dancer in a bar on weekends? (genitals not exposed)
    A woman who was in Girls Gone Wild flashing her tits during spring break years ago?
    The guy who used to drink too much and get into bar fights who is now sober?
    A married couple who go to swing parties?
    Someone who puts their picture on Craigslist looking for sexual partners? What if they didn't show their face, but someone recognizes them anyways?
    A Muslim man who publicly calls the US government evil for killing and torturing Muslims?
    A Muslim woman who always wears a scarf over her hair? Or one who wears even more traditional conservative Muslim clothing?
    Mixed gender roommates who don't have sex with each other, but people assume that they do?
    More than two mixed gender roommates who do have sex with each other?
    A woman who had a baby that was conceived before she got married?
    A couple who live together and have kids and aren't married?
    Asked and answered.

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    Would your answer be different if a story in the newspaper outed these people?
    No.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I guess I've met a better class of sex workers and former sex workers that you did.
    Interesting, so now you admit there are different classes of porn/sex workers?

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    She didn't tell them in advance because it was not relevant to her ability to do her job and she knew, like we all do, that she would be likely to face discrimination.
    The rest of this has largely been answered. However, this line is untrue. She KNEW this was something that would disqualify her for the job. She KNEW she wouldn't be hired if she included the info. THAT would be the only legitimate time to challenge the supposed "discrimination". She would have lost of course, because these morals clauses have been upheld over and over again.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope, thats an ASSUMPTION, this is not proof of that anywhere in this thread
    Again, go back and read the OP. The panel was to decide whether she could be fired for this. They decided she could and would be fired.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, go back and read the OP. The panel was to decide whether she could be fired for this. They decided she could and would be fired.
    Reading the OP doesnt change the fact you are guessing and ssuming

    yes they decided to fire her that does not mean that she factually violated any contract or agreement or clause not sure what you dont understand.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The FACT that she IS fired and for the reasons that she was in porn and did not disclose and lied about it, AND that firing is upheld by the panel, IS proof her behavior is not consistent with her contract. That's precisely what the determinig decision was all about.
    So... There you go again with the "she's a lying bitch" argument, yet we've begged and pleaded with you to show absolutely any evidence that the morality clause is retroactive, and you've refused in every instance.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The rest of this has largely been answered. However, this line is untrue. She KNEW this was something that would disqualify her for the job. She KNEW she wouldn't be hired if she included the info. THAT would be the only legitimate time to challenge the supposed "discrimination". She would have lost of course, because these morals clauses have been upheld over and over again.
    Yes, just like a gay person would have had to do twenty years ago.

    The morals clause is ridiculously vague.

    Yes, gays in many states are a protected class, which is why they no longer are getting fired as they used to, but that is because they fought for protection, not because the "good" normal people spontaneously decided to be nice to them.

    I hope to see the remaining oppressed people come together and organize for their rights, many people have a common cause to advocate for the right of consenting adults to freely engage in harmless activities outside of work, sexually active single people, transgenders, swingers, the BDSM community, people with tattoos and piercings, responsible users of recreational drugs and many others. Everyone should be in a "protected class" because a majority of people have done, or are doing something that violates someone else's taboos.

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