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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You can keerp arguing the same points ad infinitum, but the facts of the matter are she is fired, the district may legally fire her for a violation of the morals clause and your opinion isn't going to change that.

    If she wants a teaching position, she'll have to try the private schools or try her luck in another state, though it'll be harder for her to lie about her past from here on.
    Oh I'm well aware of what did happen, we're debating the morality of the matter. Fact is, she didn't commit a crime, and it never specifically said in their morals clause that she couldn't have been a porn star 7 years ago.

    The morals clause essentially is a catch-all that they can use for anything. "Conduct non-becoming of a teacher" I'm sure you could argue that as being gay, or black, or whatever it is the parents and faculty of the area want to hate at the time.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Oh I'm well aware of what did happen, we're debating the morality of the matter. Fact is, she didn't commit a crime, and it never specifically said in their morals clause that she couldn't have been a porn star 7 years ago.

    The morals clause essentially is a catch-all that they can use for anything. "Conduct non-becoming of a teacher" I'm sure you could argue that as being gay, or black, or whatever it is the parents and faculty of the area want to hate at the time.
    No on that last (you're trying to stretch the point and it's breaking on you). The link I posted shows what you can be fired for under a morals clause in each state. California, where this happened, as you might guess is the most liberal. However, even in that liberal environment, they still recognise there is some past and/or present behavior that disqualifies one from teaching young minds.

    No crime (unless she did in fact lie under oath), but lying on an application (commision or omission) IS legal and legitimate grounds for immediate dismissal anywhere in the US.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No on that last (you're trying to stretch the point and it's breaking on you). The link I posted shows what you can be fired for under a morals clause in each state. California, where this happened, as you might guess is the most liberal. However, even in that liberal environment, they still recognise there is some past and/or present behavior that disqualifies one from teaching young minds.

    No crime (unless she did in fact lie under oath), but lying on an application (commision or omission) IS legal and legitimate grounds for immediate dismissal anywhere in the US.
    I guess then if my job finds out that I mowed lawns back in high school one summer and didn't put it on my resumee, they could fire me for it.

    Point is, they can fire you for absolutely whatever reason they want, and that's exactly what they did. The administration didn't want to deal with the heat from the bible thumper parents, and so they took the easy route.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I guess then if my job finds out that I mowed lawns back in high school one summer and didn't put it on my resumee, they could fire me for it.
    Again, in one of her videos she explicitly talks about the dangers her porn work represented to her teaching career. So she was well aware of it's relevant nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Point is, they can fire you for absolutely whatever reason they want, and that's exactly what they did. The administration didn't want to deal with the heat from the bible thumper parents, and so they took the easy route.
    that, or other issues exist that were already explained to you and you refuse, or can't, recognize?

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I don't know if I would fire her, but if I had that big a stick up my ass about some porn I am pretty sure that when I could not find her porn on the school computer and a bunch of male teachers immediately showed it to me saved on their smartphones I would have fired them. Really, who is the problem here? the woman who never spoke of her porn career or the guys with porno saved on their smartphones for easy spanking in class?

    Of course it is really bad for all the cheapo whores in girls gone wild. At least this woman got paid in money for her porn.
    Imagine losing your career over some porn you shot for the price of some crappy alcohol?
    Maybe it was really good alcohol.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    All of the things you mentioned above are beyond a person's control. Performing in pornography is a choice.

    Also, you don't know me well enough to claim anything about me, never mind whether or not I have a bias against anything.
    so that makes it ok for you to be biased and judgmental?
    also people do shange religions and pick them

    so how about someone that CHOOSES to be in a interracial relationship?

    and you are right i dont know you well enough to judge you on a whole thats way i specifically said you are showing your bias on THIS topic (which yo have shown LOTS of proof of) and in general i think you are better than that. Your bias very obvious on your judgment of this woman.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

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    so that makes it ok for you to be biased and judgmental?
    also people do shange religions and pick them
    When it comes to children and school and who is caring for them and teaching them, yes.

    It is completely ridiculous that you would compare a choice of religion to a choice to do pornographic films. There is a HUGE difference there. If you can't see that, then you have BIG problems.

    so how about someone that CHOOSES to be in a interracial relationship?
    Again, this is not going to affect the students. They are not going to be able to go online and watch the interracial couple having nasty sex. Really, I'm starting to wonder if some people are just effing stupid around here.

    and you are right i dont know you well enough to judge you on a whole thats way i specifically said you are showing your bias on THIS topic (which yo have shown LOTS of proof of) and in general i think you are better than that. Your bias very obvious on your judgment of this woman.
    To be honest, I just feel like cussing at you right now.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    1.)When it comes to children and school and who is caring for them and teaching them, yes.

    2.)It is completely ridiculous that you would compare a choice of religion to a choice to do pornographic films. There is a HUGE difference there. If you can't see that, then you have BIG problems.



    3.)Again, this is not going to affect the students. They are not going to be able to go online and watch the interracial couple having nasty sex. Really, I'm starting to wonder if some people are just effing stupid around here.



    4.)To be honest, I just feel like cussing at you right now.
    1.) so i can do the same simply for somebody being a certain religion, race, gender sexuality or being involved in a interracial relationship?
    2.) actually its not at all that your bias that falsely tell you that and the problem is complete yours but its only on this one topic, i still think your a good poster. There are many people that would have just as big of a problem as you do for somebody simply being a different religion, race, gay, interracial/interreligion marriage etc.

    Please tell me why those people are wrong and you are right? She did some porn so what LOL that doeswnt make her a bad or good teacher/person. Its complete BS to judge her soley on that.

    3.) again that your OPINION many would feel differently and what makes thier broken logic different from yours, why is yours "ok" and there judgmental, biased, stereotypical logic not.

    Wonder what ever you want, you quickly calling this woman a whore, slut and comparing her to criminals and child molesters is not different than somebody prejudging someone based on religion, race, sexuality, gender etc THATS what is stupid.

    4.) that ok im sure this teacher would want to cuss at you to for comparing her to criminals and child molesters.

    Sorry CHrisL of course you are allowed to feel how ever you want but that doesnt make it right, blindly judging her like you did is wrong no matter how you try to spin it. I KNOW you are smart enough to see that whether you admit it or not.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post

    1.) so i can do the same simply for somebody being a certain religion, race, gender sexuality or being involved in a interracial relationship?
    2.) actually its not at all that your bias that falsely tell you that and the problem is complete yours but its only on this one topic, i still think your a good poster. There are many people that would have just as big of a problem as you do for somebody simply being a different religion, race, gay, interracial/interreligion marriage etc.

    Please tell me why those people are wrong and you are right? She did some porn so what LOL that doeswnt make her a bad or good teacher/person. Its complete BS to judge her soley on that.

    3.) again that your OPINION many would feel differently and what makes thier broken logic different from yours, why is yours "ok" and there judgmental, biased, stereotypical logic not.

    Wonder what ever you want, you quickly calling this woman a whore, slut and comparing her to criminals and child molesters is not different than somebody prejudging someone based on religion, race, sexuality, gender etc THATS what is stupid.

    4.) that ok im sure this teacher would want to cuss at you to for comparing her to criminals and child molesters.

    Sorry CHrisL of course you are allowed to feel how ever you want but that doesnt make it right, blindly judging her like you did is wrong no matter how you try to spin it. I KNOW you are smart enough to see that whether you admit it or not.
    Nope, sorry, there are consequences to actions. Whether or not YOU consider them fair is irrelevant to life. Again, school is about the students, not the teachers.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, sorry, there are consequences to actions. Whether or not YOU consider them fair is irrelevant to life.
    again you keep using fair and i thats meaningless to the way you use your bias to judge this woman, its complete wrong, ignorant and no different then blindly judging people for other BS stereotypical reason. Frankly its very ugly no matter how you spin it.
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