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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord! It's completely different to lie about something to save your LIFE than it is to lie to get a job.
    If you lose your job, can't you end up homeless and starving at one point?

    Especially if its yoir career?
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Doesn't mean that they were right.
    Of course it doesn't, but there are two types of "right". The sort that is believed to be so by the individual, and the one held by the majority of the group. The latter controls what is, or is not, right in the eyes of our law.

    This mirrors the community standards decision made by the SCOTUS. Also in this decision, where the community standard (that is not in conflict with the state or federal constitution or law) was used to find her guilty of a morals clause violation.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    I think its a complete crock and IMO her rights are totally violated, its unfair discrimination IMO but who the hell am i, just my opinion and the judges felt differently.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Who's social mores? Your's? Mine? Wait no..not mine...I have no problem with someone having a past in pornography.
    And in your community the majority may feel the same as you. Thus you elect school board officials who don't put a prohibition against that in their morals clause. If this incident happened in such a community, they may have excused that she lied to gain employment, or maybe not.

    But in the community where this happened, folks DO have a problem with something you don't.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    The answer seems obvious to me. Let her teach Sex Ed.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I think its a complete crock and IMO her rights are totally violated, its unfair discrimination IMO but who the hell am i, just my opinion and the judges felt differently.
    don't you think that creates an obvious liability in the school and particularly in her class room? Do you think it's infringing on a persons right if an employer deems that their personal activity impinges on their ability to competently perform their job? Are sponsors infringing on someone's rights when they drop a personality due to their controversial behavior and statements?
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    Re: ke porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, but where he's getting at is that academically, does my socially scandalized, say, physical disability (as was the case with Longmore), prevent me from being a qualified educator. Longmore wasn't accused of being immoral, but rather just intellectually or physically incapable.
    I would say the nature of the two things causing the scandal are completely different. In fact, I think the most obvious analogy raised was the one comparing it to getting a controversial tattoo on one's forehead

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    Re: ke porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I would say the nature of the two things causing the scandal are completely different. In fact, I think the most obvious analogy raised was the one comparing it to getting a controversial tattoo on one's forehead
    Speaking of which, teachers and teacher candidates are regularly expected, or reminded respectively, to not display their tattoos, socially unaccepted piercings, or have what is deemed unusual coloring in their hair.
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    Re: ke porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Speaking of which, teachers and teacher candidates are regularly expected, or reminded respectively, to not display their tattoos, socially unaccepted piercings, or have what is deemed unusual coloring in their hair.
    Actually knew a guy with "crackhead" scrawled across his forehead. It looked like a child wrote it. Clearly no one is going to give this guy a job where he needs to represent the face of the company or interact with clients for that fact alone.

    So not all reasons that we discriminate against people for exist on an equal footing. Some are rather reasonable and justified

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)don't you think that creates an obvious liability in the school and particularly in her class room? 2.) Do you think it's infringing on a persons right if an employer deems that their personal activity impinges on their ability to competently perform their job? 3.)Are sponsors infringing on someone's rights when they drop a personality due to their controversial behavior and statements?
    1.) liability? no (in today's world everything could be though )
    2.) yes unless theres proof and that is directly related to me. its basically case by case.
    3.) not even the same ball park but IF it can be proven that the sponsor without just cause YES it is and this has been the case SOMETIMES. But again totally different ballpark.
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