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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I used to be annoyed at that, like in the novel Babbit...until I came to think that eventually, I had a perverse sense of admiration for the hypocrisy. Then I later found out I didn't admire them so much as I was more interested in understanding power structures, just usually without the zeal to overturn them (which seemed to be the only way people wanted to learn about it). When you find out that some things aren't "fair," you're expected to freak out and throw a revolution and then get bitterly disappointed when you find out it doesn't work that way either.
    Didn't you say you were disabled? Before ADA and other such laws that began to be enacted in the 1970s, the same excuses were used to justify firing this teacher (the distraction) could have been used to discriminate against you. Thank the people who fought to change those attitudes, not ones who just turned their heads and said "some things aren't 'fair.'"
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Haha

    If people are trying to screw you over, the truth is off the table and outright deception is fine. - Hard Truth.
    Am I the only one that spots the irony of the use of the term "screw you over" in the defense of a woman who made her living by screwing people?
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    It absolutely would.

    If it wasn't true, when little Johny comes home from school and tells his mother that his teacher used to be a porn star his mom can tell him that she really wasn't. She just happens to look like a woman who made porn. She can then proceed to kick his little ass for looking at porn and take away his internet privileges. With a little luck, little Johny would learn a valuable lesson about false allegations and spreading lies. But that can't happen in this case because his teacher REALLY IS adult film star Tiffany Six.
    How would the mother know if its true or not?

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Haha

    If people are trying to screw you over, the truth is off the table and outright deception is fine. - Hard Truth.
    You misquoted me intentionally to misrepresent my position. I said "It is OK to lie to people who are only out to screw you over when you have not done anything wrong."

    Are you saying you would tell that Nazi you were Jewish?

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    Re: ke porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Didn't you say you were disabled? Before ADA and other such laws that began to be enacted in the 1970s, the same excuses used to justify firing this teacher (the distraction) could have been used to discriminate against you. Thank the people fought to change those attitudes, not ones who just turned their heads and said "some things aren't 'fair.'"
    So a physical/ mental disabilility is like choosing to participate in a widely disseminated pornographic video?

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Didn't you say you were disabled? Before ADA and other such laws that began to be enacted in the 1970s, the same excuses used to justify firing this teacher (the distraction) could have been used to discriminate against you. Thank the people fought to change those attitudes, not ones who just turned their heads and said "some things aren't 'fair.'"
    Yes, and in fact, if you wanted to look even closer, there was a disabled American historian by the name of Paul K. Longmore that wrote an essay on that in his book Why I Burned my Book. The difference was that there wasn't this really immature shock and ignorance about the profession, but rather a hard-nosed realization that became an attack on all fronts, social, legal, political, and pedagogically.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If you were in Nazi Germany and were asked if you were a Jew, wouldn't you lie if you were? It is OK to lie to people who are only out to screw you over when you have not done anything wrong.
    Self-serving stretch of an analogy. She doesn't live in Nazi Germany, she lied to get a job, she got caught in the lie. She doesn't lose her life, she loses the job she gained on false pretenses.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    You misquoted me intentionally to misrepresent my position. I said "It is OK to lie to people who are only out to screw you over when you have not done anything wrong."
    I left off that last part. I found it redundant given the presumption of being "screwed over".

    Are you saying you would tell that Nazi you were Jewish?
    For argument's sake, let's say 'yes'. Then what.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Community standards allowed for such things as segregation, miscegation, slavery, and wars. Sorry but right is right and wrong is wrong. Just because the majority of people may think something is wrong does not mean that it actually and in reality IS wrong.
    At odds with the specific context my use of that term addressed. My use of "community standards" in this context refers to the SCOTUS decision on pornography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    So a physical/ mental disabilility is like choosing to participate in a widely disseminated pornographic video?
    No, but where he's getting at is that academically, does my socially scandalized, say, physical disability (as was the case with Longmore), prevent me from being a qualified educator. Longmore wasn't accused of being immoral, but rather just intellectually or physically incapable.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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