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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    The decision is disgraceful and wrong and based on bigotry. She did nothing illegal or even immoral. It was also first amendment protected expression. The only 'problem' is that ignorant and bigoted people are prejudiced and/or judgmental against her. The kid's reaction should have been an opportunity for an educational discussion on differing standards of sexuality morality. The kids would get over the titillation soon enough, and they should be required to treat her with respect. Instead the lesson is that any woman with an unconventional sexual past should be shunned by society-which is not a viewpoint that everybody holds.

    This situation is no different than if she was a member of an unpopular religious group, except that she has no legal protection. Imagine if (for example) she was from Africa and had tribal scars on her face. The kids would laugh at first and many parents would hate her for not being part of the mainstream religion. But the kids will get over it and the opinions of the bigoted parents would probably be ignored in this day and age in most places in the USA. (but not in the recent past)

    If legal activities can be used against potential employees, especially government employees, then there should be a publicly available list of activities that are prohibited so a young person can plan their life for their potential career.

    With the internet maintaining an archive of people's past, and constantly changing standards of acceptable behavior (ie. the popularity of piercings and tattoos) society should reconsider whether it is really beneficial to throw away the skills of people with unpopular life choices in their past.

    We already have decided that only a very narrow segment of society can be a prominent participant in politics and many institutions (i.e religious people with excellent grades in school who went to a prestigious college, hold conventional opinions and avoided getting caught participating in any alternative lifestyle activities) and I think that is the part of the reason these institutions are so often dysfunctional, abnormal people are making decisions for the rest of us.

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    Re: 't shake porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Lol, yes, when have children ever pushed an issue that negatively affected their piers?

    Jesus christ, are some of you people hilarious
    Of course kids push their peers. Thats part of childhood. Doesn't mean that you let them get away with it. If you do then you're a real crappy parent.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you look at this situation closer, you'll understand that this woman didn't disclose this employment history on her job application. I think, personally, that's the grounds they're using to fire her. And, honestly, they most likely would have chosen another candidate had they known.
    Porn work is usually free lance contract work, not a job. Most people don't list every temp job on job applications.

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    Re: Juake porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Are you hopelessly confused sweat pea? My post dealt with the general attitudes of kids at that age, not my behavior
    Either way, my statement applies to others just as much as you. Any kid that is disrespectful to their peers should be punished. I know for a fact that when ever I was disrespectful (and what kid isn't at one point in their lives?) I got my ass whooped. Taught me real quick to mind my manners.
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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Legal"? I don't know. But if a company/school asks for your previous employment history, they are well within their rights to find that, if you omitted some, you've lied on your application. A resume? That's something else again. The application? Well, it doesn't say: "List all relevant employment history," it says, "List your employment history."
    Omission is not a lie. I doubt that anyone listed every temp job they ever had, most people couldn't even remember all of it.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Sure I can tell you the difference.

    The difference is that one is real and the other is imagined.
    But that would have no impact on the way others treat her, which is the sole basis for the judge's decision.

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    Re: Judges say Calif. middle school teacher can't shake porn past, must not return to

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    With regards to woman A - the school can go right to the parents and ask why the hell their children are watching porn and/or bringing it into school.

    With regards to woman B - She actually did porn - then lied about it on her application and hid any such information from her employers.
    Not true. Few people over a certain age list every job that they ever had, especially temp work. Older people usually only list their most recent jobs to avoid age discrimination before the interview.

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    Re: ake porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, even in the imagination of students. In fact , if there wasn't a difference and preference for actual real images, there would be no porn industry

    PS I really couldn't careless about her making porn. I'm just not going to adopt the silly idea that there isn't a difference between having to imagine someone naked and seeing them railed on film
    I had a hot teacher in high school and I can't imagine being any more distracted than I was watching her instead of listening to her. Good looking people should also be prohibited from teaching unless they wear a burka.

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    Re: Ren't shake porn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Decisions regarding employment should be based on job performance, not subjective opinions.
    So I can't fire you because its my business and I no longer want you to be part of it? Seems like a damn good reason to me.

    Not like that applies here, but they wanted her gone, so why can't they just fire her? What is so wrong about that? I don't get this entire thing. They hired the chick, they found something they didn't like about her and so they fired her? Seems legit.

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    Re: Judn past, must not return to cla

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I didn't assume it was a porno studio. What I assumed was that she would be the "porn teacher" and be totally disrespected by the kids she would be trying to educate.

    But I'm just going off my experiance as a kid.
    Perhaps responsible adults should teach kids to treat everyone with respect. I'm glad that was what I was taught.

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