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Obama plans to surround himself with children during gun control announcement

Do you find using kids in a tactical political move is bad taste?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 7 16.7%

  • Total voters
    42
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Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Uh huh, and how exactly can you/they prove the validity of that claim if these ao called 40% of sales are illegal and untracked. Are the criminals making a phone call to let the authorities know they have made an illegal purchase. Do you really thinl imposing stricter regulations on you and I will make tje criminal trade cease to exist?

Where did i say that that 40% of the guns sales made are illegal? Quote it for me please. Where did I say that stricter regulations would make the criminal trade non existence? Quote it for me please. I do not think any gun sale should be made without a background check, you can quote me on that, I think if background checks were required it would make it more difficult for a convicted criminal or deranged person to obtain a weapon. You can quote me on that.

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Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Research and studies

In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."

In contrast, a Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that only 0.8% of prison inmates reported acquiring firearms used in their crimes "At a gun show," with repeat offenders less likely than first-time offenders to report acquiring firearms from a retail source, gun show or flea market. This 2001 study examined data from a 1997 Department of Justice survey of more than 18,000 federal and state prison inmates in 1,409 State prisons and 127 Federal prisons.[20][21] The remaining 99.2% of inmates reported obtaining firearms from other sources, including "From a friend/family member" (36.8%), "Off the street/from a drug dealer" (20.9%), "From a fence/black market source" (9.6%), "From a pawnshop," "From a flea market," "From the victim," or "In a burglary." 9% of inmates replied "Don't Know/Other" to the question of where they acquired a firearm and 4.4% refused to answer.[21] The Department of Justice did not attempt to verify the firearms reported in the survey or trace them to determine their chain of possession from original retail sale to the time they were transferred to the inmates surveyed (in cases where inmates were not the original retail purchaser).[22]

Gun-control advocate Garen Wintemute, Director of UC Davis’ Violence Prevention Research Program, released a study in 2007 claiming that gun shows are a venue for illegal activity, including straw purchases and unlicensed sales to prohibited individuals.[23] In contrast, in 2008, professors Mark Duggan and Randi Hjalmarsson at the University of Maryland and Brian Jacob from the University of Michigan released a paper that found no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases in either gun homicides or gun suicides.[24] The study looked at 2,200 gun shows in Texas and almost 1,200 gun shows in California during the period of 1994–2004 and examined their effect on gun homicide and gun suicide rates within a 25-mile radius of the shows in the four weeks immediately following their conclusion. The researchers stated that, “Taken together, our results suggest that gun shows do not increase the number of homicides or suicides and that the absence of gun show regulations does not increase the number of gun-related deaths as proponents of these regulations suggest.” However, the Duggan, et al., paper was critiqued publicly by other researchers from the University of California, Davis, the Harvard School of Public Health, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Northeastern University, the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, and the University of California, Berkeley. These researchers critiqued the model underlying the paper for failing to reflect the realities of the operations of gun markets and the dynamics of criminal gun use.[25]
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

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Thats the Bellamy salute...invented by an American Christian and it was used in US schools to say the pledge of allegence.....

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Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Where did i say that that 40% of the guns sales made are illegal? Quote it for me please. Where did I say that stricter regulations would make the criminal trade non existence? Quote it for me please. I do not think any gun sale should be made without a background check, you can quote me on that, I think if background checks were required it would make it more difficult for a convicted criminal or deranged person to obtain a weapon. You can quote me on that.

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Well that was my mistake, I obviously read it incorrectly. Hopefully you'll forgive me, in my defense it was ~4:00 AM, I had just woken up for work.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Most of the adults in Amerika know nothing of the Constitution. All you have to do is read the posts of the Parasite Nation supporters on debatepolitics.com


Marxists have no shame... they have thuggery.

How about the people who can't spell "America" and talk in random sound bites? I tend to question their knowledge of the constitution.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

There was another leader in history who like being associated with children:

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Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

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"Nyah nyah! I exploited more kids than you did!"
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

A better example:



Above posted pictures compared Obama and other peoples children to Hitler and random children. Now unless we watched different videos, it seemed to me you shared an ad campaign for ex president George W. Bush that included one short clip of him and his wife, and a few clips of children with/without children. I'm going to assume since I see "very liberal" under your username this is defending Obama's newest campaign. Well done, well done.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Thats the Bellamy salute...invented by an American Christian and it was used in US schools to say the pledge of allegence.....

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Let's bring it back for Obama.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

A better example:



Hey, you don't love children, look at the little flowers the girls have on their heads. This is all for the children.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Above posted pictures compared Obama and other peoples children to Hitler and random children. Now unless we watched different videos, it seemed to me you shared an ad campaign for ex president George W. Bush that included one short clip of him and his wife, and a few clips of children with/without children. I'm going to assume since I see "very liberal" under your username this is defending Obama's newest campaign. Well done, well done.

It is more poking fun at the hypocrisy of those whining about this. Personally I don't give a **** when any politician uses kids as props. It's harmless.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Hey, you don't love children, look at the little flowers the girls have on their heads. This is all for the children.

Kids are brats.

Except my grand niece, she is adorable.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Let's bring it back for Obama.
The NRA already has dibs on it.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

"It's for the children!" is rapidly becoming one of the most pissed-in pools that politicians use to manipulate voters.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

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I fully admit both sides do political theather...

However, are you honestly not able to be honest about the difference between Obama's signing with a host of kids who are clearly the primary purpose to be there rather than their parents....and....this particular picture of two kids, not prominently featured (One's a bit blurry, ones MASSIVELY blurry. A photograph meant to focus on the notion that there are kids on the signing doesn't do that), amongst a host of adult leading to the likely scenario that their parents brought them? Because it seems like you're trying to suggest they're somehow equivilents.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

How about the people who can't spell "America" and talk in random sound bites? I tend to question their knowledge of the constitution.

Redress, I see this is your best (and lame) effort to try and rebut what I've said about Obama since 2007. He's proven himself to be an angry Rev. Wright styled socialist intent on turning America into Amerika.

He has had great help from his Goebbels styled propagandists and his brain dead Parasite Nation followers.

It's not conservatives shredding the constitution, or believing it is a "growing and changing" document. For growing and changing we have Congress, and state governments... not activist courts or a King who issues executive orders to usurp the political process because he doesn't like it.

But he's your King... and you can kneel before him and take everything he gives you.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Redress, I see this is your best (and lame) effort to try and rebut what I've said about Obama since 2007. He's proven himself to be an angry Rev. Wright styled socialist intent on turning America into Amerika.

He has had great help from his Goebbels styled propagandists and his brain dead Parasite Nation followers.

It's not conservatives shredding the constitution, or believing it is a "growing and changing" document. For growing and changing we have Congress, and state governments... not activist courts or a King who issues executive orders to usurp the political process because he doesn't like it.

But he's your King... and you can kneel before him and take everything he gives you.


I know you have been SAYING this, as a republican tea party die hard voter, I'd expect no less. You just haven't shown any PROOF of this.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Redress, I see this is your best (and lame) effort to try and rebut what I've said about Obama since 2007. He's proven himself to be an angry Rev. Wright styled socialist intent on turning America into Amerika.

He has had great help from his Goebbels styled propagandists and his brain dead Parasite Nation followers.

It's not conservatives shredding the constitution, or believing it is a "growing and changing" document. For growing and changing we have Congress, and state governments... not activist courts or a King who issues executive orders to usurp the political process because he doesn't like it.

But he's your King... and you can kneel before him and take everything he gives you.

That word, "socialist", does not mean what you think it does.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Just political pandering. Fact is, none of those kids have any idea what is going on, nor do they have clue one as to how to go about keeping psychos out of their schools with guns.


Guns are nothing more than a death delivery device. Not even the best, or most efficient one, at that. For my money, I'll wager a good roaring gasoline fire would have had a higher body count at Sandy Hook, than even an unlimited supply of .223 rounds in his AR-15. Or poison. I mean, think about what would happen if someone with half a brain were to get their hands on some of the boxes coming off of the City Line/Sysco truck, as it made it's daily/weekly delivery of food to the school cafeteria? A little rat poison goes a long way, you know?

Fact of the matter is, no matter WHAT the president does about guns, it's NOT going to help the situation we currently have.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

Just political pandering. Fact is, none of those kids have any idea what is going on, nor do they have clue one as to how to go about keeping psychos out of their schools with guns.


Guns are nothing more than a death delivery device. Not even the best, or most efficient one, at that. For my money, I'll wager a good roaring gasoline fire would have had a higher body count at Sandy Hook, than even an unlimited supply of .223 rounds in his AR-15. Or poison. I mean, think about what would happen if someone with half a brain were to get their hands on some of the boxes coming off of the City Line/Sysco truck, as it made it's daily/weekly delivery of food to the school cafeteria? A little rat poison goes a long way, you know?

Fact of the matter is, no matter WHAT the president does about guns, it's NOT going to help the situation we currently have.

There are so many other options available, I am thankful that when it happens they are dumb enough to only use a gun. I would be more thankful if it didn't happen at all of course, but if it does happen, and it will again, the idiots only using a gun is much better than most of the alternatives.

PS-- A bit off subject, but dude, stock rims on that 'vette would look so much better. C3 Corvette Wheels 1968-1982 YJ8 Aluminum Restoration Quality - Mid America Motorworks
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

That word, "socialist", does not mean what you think it does.

ROTFLOL... of course it doesn't... it only means what Parasite Nation Patriots want it to mean.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

There are so many other options available, I am thankful that when it happens they are dumb enough to only use a gun. I would be more thankful if it didn't happen at all of course, but if it does happen, and it will again, the idiots only using a gun is much better than most of the alternatives.

PS-- A bit off subject, but dude, stock rims on that 'vette would look so much better. C3 Corvette Wheels 1968-1982 YJ8 Aluminum Restoration Quality - Mid America Motorworks
Very limited performance tire selections on the stock 15x8s, and besides, even at 9.5 inches in width, they still weight considerably less. It's a huge performance increase. When I'm finally done with this car (sigh...some day) it'll work, and look nice. I have a vision.
 
Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

New to the thread, I already knew that Obama had bad taste, so to answer yes was very easy.

I also know other things about him, like he is a criminal, just like his predecessor. He's just not dyslexic. ;) , and has a silver tongue!
 
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