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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ex99 View Post
    Uh huh, and how exactly can you/they prove the validity of that claim if these ao called 40% of sales are illegal and untracked. Are the criminals making a phone call to let the authorities know they have made an illegal purchase. Do you really thinl imposing stricter regulations on you and I will make tje criminal trade cease to exist?
    Where did i say that that 40% of the guns sales made are illegal? Quote it for me please. Where did I say that stricter regulations would make the criminal trade non existence? Quote it for me please. I do not think any gun sale should be made without a background check, you can quote me on that, I think if background checks were required it would make it more difficult for a convicted criminal or deranged person to obtain a weapon. You can quote me on that.

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    In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."

    In contrast, a Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that only 0.8% of prison inmates reported acquiring firearms used in their crimes "At a gun show," with repeat offenders less likely than first-time offenders to report acquiring firearms from a retail source, gun show or flea market. This 2001 study examined data from a 1997 Department of Justice survey of more than 18,000 federal and state prison inmates in 1,409 State prisons and 127 Federal prisons.[20][21] The remaining 99.2% of inmates reported obtaining firearms from other sources, including "From a friend/family member" (36.8%), "Off the street/from a drug dealer" (20.9%), "From a fence/black market source" (9.6%), "From a pawnshop," "From a flea market," "From the victim," or "In a burglary." 9% of inmates replied "Don't Know/Other" to the question of where they acquired a firearm and 4.4% refused to answer.[21] The Department of Justice did not attempt to verify the firearms reported in the survey or trace them to determine their chain of possession from original retail sale to the time they were transferred to the inmates surveyed (in cases where inmates were not the original retail purchaser).[22]

    Gun-control advocate Garen Wintemute, Director of UC Davis’ Violence Prevention Research Program, released a study in 2007 claiming that gun shows are a venue for illegal activity, including straw purchases and unlicensed sales to prohibited individuals.[23] In contrast, in 2008, professors Mark Duggan and Randi Hjalmarsson at the University of Maryland and Brian Jacob from the University of Michigan released a paper that found no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases in either gun homicides or gun suicides.[24] The study looked at 2,200 gun shows in Texas and almost 1,200 gun shows in California during the period of 1994–2004 and examined their effect on gun homicide and gun suicide rates within a 25-mile radius of the shows in the four weeks immediately following their conclusion. The researchers stated that, “Taken together, our results suggest that gun shows do not increase the number of homicides or suicides and that the absence of gun show regulations does not increase the number of gun-related deaths as proponents of these regulations suggest.” However, the Duggan, et al., paper was critiqued publicly by other researchers from the University of California, Davis, the Harvard School of Public Health, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Northeastern University, the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, and the University of California, Berkeley. These researchers critiqued the model underlying the paper for failing to reflect the realities of the operations of gun markets and the dynamics of criminal gun use.[25]

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post


    Thats the Bellamy salute...invented by an American Christian and it was used in US schools to say the pledge of allegence.....


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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Where did i say that that 40% of the guns sales made are illegal? Quote it for me please. Where did I say that stricter regulations would make the criminal trade non existence? Quote it for me please. I do not think any gun sale should be made without a background check, you can quote me on that, I think if background checks were required it would make it more difficult for a convicted criminal or deranged person to obtain a weapon. You can quote me on that.

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    Well that was my mistake, I obviously read it incorrectly. Hopefully you'll forgive me, in my defense it was ~4:00 AM, I had just woken up for work.

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Most of the adults in Amerika know nothing of the Constitution. All you have to do is read the posts of the Parasite Nation supporters on debatepolitics.com


    Marxists have no shame... they have thuggery.
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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    There was another leader in history who like being associated with children:


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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Hitlerchildren.jpg

    "Nyah nyah! I exploited more kids than you did!"

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    A better example:

    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A better example:

    Above posted pictures compared Obama and other peoples children to Hitler and random children. Now unless we watched different videos, it seemed to me you shared an ad campaign for ex president George W. Bush that included one short clip of him and his wife, and a few clips of children with/without children. I'm going to assume since I see "very liberal" under your username this is defending Obama's newest campaign. Well done, well done.

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats the Bellamy salute...invented by an American Christian and it was used in US schools to say the pledge of allegence.....

    Let's bring it back for Obama.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Obama surrounds himself by kids while removing our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A better example:

    Hey, you don't love children, look at the little flowers the girls have on their heads. This is all for the children.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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