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    NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/ny...Y&ei=5065&_r=2&

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    The expanded ban on assault weapons would broaden the definition of such weapons, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.
    The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that patients are likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by a dangerous patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report such patients if they acted “in good faith.”
    The legislative package, which Mr. Cuomo said he believed would be “the most comprehensive package in the nation,” would ban any gun magazine that can hold over 7 rounds of ammunition — the current limit is 10 rounds. It would also require background checks of ammunition buyers and automated alerts to law enforcement of high-volume purchases.

    Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

    Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

    What is military-style feature?


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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

    If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
    If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

    Anyone taking any bets?
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

    If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
    If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

    Anyone taking any bets?
    How do you figure that? If my car has blown a rod and a mechanic simply changes the oil and it still does not run is it then fair for me to say that I never need to work on the cars engine?
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/ny...Y&ei=5065&_r=2&

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    Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

    Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

    What is military-style feature?


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    Way I hear it, it is flash suppressor, bayonet lug or pistol grip. can have one but no more so most semi shotties I have seen are GTG.

    I have magazines not clips, the snips got it correct, you didn't.... none of mine are less than 13 but then again I don't live in New York.

    What caught my eye is the Senate is controlled by the GOP, which comes from the conservative north part of the state and has traditionally fought against democrat proposals. According to Huff, several GOP senators lost their seats to hard right candidates because they voted for same sex marriage.

    Given the hard right's love of doing it at the State Level I can't help but feel this is a Tea Party success. Pass the STATE law, and challenge it in court.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Eh, more reason I have no intention of moving to New York. And further evidence of the notion of "incrimentalism" in terms of the restricting of arms.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Way I hear it, it is flash suppressor, bayonet lug or pistol grip. can have one but no more so most semi shotties I have seen are GTG.

    I have magazines not clips, the snips got it correct, you didn't.... none of mine are less than 13 but then again I don't live in New York.

    What caught my eye is the Senate is controlled by the GOP, which comes from the conservative north part of the state and has traditionally fought against democrat proposals. According to Huff, several GOP senators lost their seats to hard right candidates because they voted for same sex marriage.

    Given the hard right's love of doing it at the State Level I can't help but feel this is a Tea Party success. Pass the STATE law, and challenge it in court.
    Yeah I know weird that the GOP controls the Senate from whence this bill came.. I need more details. As far as clips magazines is conerned, really? Do they even make clips that are not also magazines anynore?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Eh, more reason I have no intention of moving to New York. And further evidence of the notion of "incrimentalism" in terms of the restricting of arms.
    Yeah well I do live here and I ain't happy about it. Although this law is not retroactive I see no way of proving to a police officer that my guns are legal without first being arrested.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you figure that? If my car has blown a rod and a mechanic simply changes the oil and it still does not run is it then fair for me to say that I never need to work on the cars engine?

    If NYC passes a strong gun control law, and if gun violence then goes down, it follows that it is possible that gun control works. if NYC passes a strong gun control law, and gun violence does not go down, then it follows that gun control doesn't work.

    Likewise, if your car has thrown a rod, and an oil change doesn't make it run any better, then it follows that an oil change doesn't fix a thrown rod. I think the effectiveness of fixing a thrown rod by changing the oil is just as predictable as the effectiveness of reducing gun violence by passing strong gun control legislation, but that's just me. Since they've passed such a law, the next step is to turn on the ignition and see if the car runs. I'm betting against it.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yeah I know weird that the GOP controls the Senate from whence this bill came.. I need more details. As far as clips magazines is conerned, really? Do they even make clips that are not also magazines anynore?


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    Clips that are also magazines? Contradiction in terms. These days the majority of clips are used to recharge military style magazines using a 'charger' adapter. Most call them stripper clips, the old M1 garand uses enbloc clips as did an Italian WWII rifle or two.

    There is a difference.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/ny...Y&ei=5065&_r=2&

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    Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

    Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

    What is military-style feature?


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    You missed the best (worst?) part:

    New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.
    What moron would think this is not simply "step one"? Allowing all that now have "evil guns" to keep them ONLY if they are "registered" is insane. Once you "register" these EGs then what? Are private sales of NY's registered EGs still legal? This gets exactly ZERO guns "off the streets" yet increases the value of any "registered" EGs in NY quite a bit, creating a "monopoly" of these firearms.

    I am unclear whether the bill contains a time limit for "registering" all of your "still temporarily legal" (grandfathered?) EGs or if all non-evil guns must also be registered (by that "drop dead" date too). I am surely glad that I do not live in the Peoples Republic of New York.

    What happens to some poor slob that moves into NY 10 years from now and owns several EGs bought 2 years from now?
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