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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Guns cross State lines far too easily for any dramatic decreases in gun violence to occur from one States laws. Make those laws FEDERAL statutes and I'll take that bet.
    If that's the case, why is Canada relatively calm?
    The feds don't have a right to do so, without significant cause, as per the supremes.

    States on the other hand, can regulate them to an extreme degree, but not completely ban them.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why should he have to mention it?
    Because it says "a well-regulated militia."



    I don't see anyone hollering for megaton-level nuclear weapons...do you? The only thing that I personally want (and most gun advocates will no doubt support this) is that we be allowed to carry and use the same weapons that your typical infantrymen carries in regards to guns.
    Yes. I know. So can people stop talking like any restriction on firearms is the same thing as repealing the second amendment?

    Here's the thing. Typical infantryman weaponry has advanced a bit since 1776. Maybe there's a reasonable limit on destructive power that you'll find acceptable.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How is it as STRONG GUN CONTROL LAW when it does nothing to control the millions of guns already in that state which can be used in criminal activity?

    Your premise fails miserably right out of the gate.
    stopping criminal activity is not the intent of cuomo's law. He might be a gaping egomaniacal asshole but he is not that stupid. He just assumes most of the voters are.

    he has made several shooting sports in NYS illegal now. He punished hundreds of thousands of people in order to pander to the low wattage voters and the gun haters.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because it says "a well-regulated militia."
    So? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." If read properly, using proper grammar, the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms" is not dependent upon "A well regulated Militia". Which means that the part with "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" is an addendum.

    Not to mention the writings of those that wrote the 2nd amendment clearly wanted the people, not just militia's, to own guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. I know. So can people stop talking like any restriction on firearms is the same thing as repealing the second amendment?
    There is a huge difference between reasonable restrictions and unreasonable. And to many unreasonable restrictions are just as bad as a total repealing of the 2nd amendment and might as well be the same. Because they know that there are those that are trying their damndest to make the 2nd amendment worthless. Which is in effect a repealing of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's the thing. Typical infantryman weaponry has advanced a bit since 1776. Maybe there's a reasonable limit on destructive power that you'll find acceptable.
    Part of the main reason for the 2nd amendment was to be able to over throw a tyrannical government. I want to have just as much destructive firepower in my guns as the government has. My reasonable limit is rocket launchers, missiles, nukes. Everything else should be allowed to civilians.

    You want to stop mass killings? Then lighten up on what it takes to commit someone and arm everyone. I guaruntee that mass killings in all those gun free zones in which they happen will slow down to a trickle if not stop entirely.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because it says "a well-regulated militia."



    Yes. I know. So can people stop talking like any restriction on firearms is the same thing as repealing the second amendment?

    Here's the thing. Typical infantryman weaponry has advanced a bit since 1776. Maybe there's a reasonable limit on destructive power that you'll find acceptable.

    if civilian police officers can use something for defense against criminals, the rest of us civilians should have the same tools. after all if the weapon is too destructive for most of us civilians, its too destructive for cops who have even more restrictions on the use of deadly force than we do

    and where in the constitution did the second amendment contain a limitation based on the state of the art?

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If that's the case, why is Canada relatively calm?
    The feds don't have a right to do so, without significant cause, as per the supremes.

    States on the other hand, can regulate them to an extreme degree, but not completely ban them.
    Please, Canada is a God forsaken wasteland most of the year. Mexico would be a better example. All the best Mexican cartel weapons are bought right here at Walmart no less. It makes for a real party down there too, you must have heard about it. I'm sure the Mexican people appreciate us keeping their citizens well armed in spite of "repressive" Mexican gun laws. It make them so much safer.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    How is it strong gun control? It deprives citizens of their rights under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. You probably remember, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed thingy.
    Perhaps you can tell us how a citizen will now not be able to keep and bear arms because of this law?
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stopping criminal activity is not the intent of cuomo's law. He might be a gaping egomaniacal asshole but he is not that stupid. He just assumes most of the voters are.

    he has made several shooting sports in NYS illegal now. He punished hundreds of thousands of people in order to pander to the low wattage voters and the gun haters.
    Who has he stopped?

    Who has he punished?

    Details please.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who has he stopped?

    Who has he punished?

    Details please.
    anyone who wants to own the same defensive weapons that his security detail enjoys

    most of the high speed action oriented pistol and rifle events

    many target events that are based on 10 round strings

    the workers of companies that will now most likely move out of NY

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Please, Canada is a God forsaken wasteland most of the year. Mexico would be a better example. All the best Mexican cartel weapons are bought right here at Walmart no less. It makes for a real party down there too, you must have heard about it. I'm sure the Mexican people appreciate us keeping their citizens well armed in spite of "repressive" Mexican gun laws. It make them so much safer.
    Sorry, that's not gonna cut it.
    If it were just because of border access, then Canada would be as bad as Mexico.
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