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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by StubbornMoose View Post
    we are looking at magazine size, not total capacity. I personally do not own a 1911 style pistol, however, looking at springfield's, sig-sauer's, and colt's websites they list the magazine capacity at 7 rounds + 1 in the chamber. This may be where you are getting your 8 rounds from. If I am wrong please correct me.
    Eight + 1 mags are incredibly common for 1911 style guns chambered in .45ACP. They are what I've shot in competition for years. I do know that some people prefer the 7 + 1 configuration due to questions about reliability of feeding and changes in the spring which are required for the 8 + 1 configuration.

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    I know what they think the term means, I just personally feel that it is a stupid catch-all to mean things that they think are scary.
    Agreed. But that was simply intended as a list of what they see as characteristics of an "Assault Weapon".

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Eight + 1 mags are incredibly common for 1911 style guns chambered in .45ACP. They are what I've shot in competition for years. I do know that some people prefer the 7 + 1 configuration due to questions about reliability of feeding and changes in the spring which are required for the 8 + 1 configuration.



    Agreed. But that was simply intended as a list of what they see as characteristics of an "Assault Weapon".
    Thank you for correcting me, good to know.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If NYC passes a strong gun control law, and if gun violence then goes down, it follows that it is possible that gun control works. if NYC passes a strong gun control law, and gun violence does not go down, then it follows that gun control doesn't work.

    Likewise, if your car has thrown a rod, and an oil change doesn't make it run any better, then it follows that an oil change doesn't fix a thrown rod. I think the effectiveness of fixing a thrown rod by changing the oil is just as predictable as the effectiveness of reducing gun violence by passing strong gun control legislation, but that's just me. Since they've passed such a law, the next step is to turn on the ignition and see if the car runs. I'm betting against it.
    I agree with your assessment. So now we have several questions arising from it:

    what exactly is a "strong gun control law"?
    what exactly should it do?
    how long do we give it to make an evaluation?
    if this does not work, do we go for something stronger?
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    This is awesome! With any luck, their gun laws can be as restrictive as the laws in Chicago! and just as effective!

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree with your assessment. So now we have several questions arising from it:

    1 what exactly is a "strong gun control law"?
    2 what exactly should it do?
    3 how long do we give it to make an evaluation?
    4 if this does not work, do we go for something stronger?
    1.The kind they just passed in New York. (vague, yes, I know, but then, it's a matter of degree and interpretation)
    2. cut back gun violence, of course. That's the stated purpose of the law, isn't it?
    3. Shouldn't it start working as soon as it's passed? but, I'd say we should know in a year or so, and see if gun violence has declined, and by how much.
    4. (sarcasm on) Oh, sure. If something doesn't work, it's always a good idea to double down on it. If one pill doesn't cure you, take two next time. If a law proves counter productive, pass a stronger one. (sarcasm off).
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    1.The kind they just passed in New York.
    How is it as STRONG GUN CONTROL LAW when it does nothing to control the millions of guns already in that state which can be used in criminal activity?

    Your premise fails miserably right out of the gate.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How is it as STRONG GUN CONTROL LAW when it does nothing to control the millions of guns already in that state which can be used in criminal activity?

    Your premise fails miserably right out of the gate.
    How is it strong gun control? It deprives citizens of their rights under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. You probably remember, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed thingy.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You missed the best (worst?) part:



    What moron would think this is not simply "step one"? Allowing all that now have "evil guns" to keep them ONLY if they are "registered" is insane. Once you "register" these EGs then what? Are private sales of NY's registered EGs still legal? This gets exactly ZERO guns "off the streets" yet increases the value of any "registered" EGs in NY quite a bit, creating a "monopoly" of these firearms.

    I am unclear whether the bill contains a time limit for "registering" all of your "still temporarily legal" (grandfathered?) EGs or if all non-evil guns must also be registered (by that "drop dead" date too). I am surely glad that I do not live in the Peoples Republic of New York.

    What happens to some poor slob that moves into NY 10 years from now and owns several EGs bought 2 years from now?
    You'd have a more reasonable conversation if you didn't make up terms like "evil guns."
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    How is it strong gun control? It deprives citizens of their rights under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. You probably remember, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed thingy.
    Weird how you didn't mention the first part of that amendment.

    Besides, even you don't really believe the 2nd amendment is absolute. Unless you support privately-owned megaton-level nuclear weapons, that is.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Weird how you didn't mention the first part of that amendment.
    Why should he have to mention it?

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    Besides, even you don't really believe the 2nd amendment is absolute. Unless you support privately-owned megaton-level nuclear weapons, that is.
    I don't see anyone hollering for megaton-level nuclear weapons...do you? The only thing that I personally want (and most gun advocates will no doubt support this) is that we be allowed to carry and use the same weapons that your typical infantrymen carries in regards to guns.
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