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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If NYC passes a strong gun control law, and if gun violence then goes down, it follows that it is possible that gun control works. if NYC passes a strong gun control law, and gun violence does not go down, then it follows that gun control doesn't work.
    It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Yep. Way to go New York State. I'm guessing you'll see a 1-2% decrease in the state's population over the next twelve months. As of last night several of my friends in the Cortland, NY area were already working on moving their firearms out of state and starting the process of seeking new jobs and homes in Pennsylvania.

    The worst part, in my mind anyway, is that some of these people actually thing this is going to change things for the better.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Funny how we think Orwellian is "progressive".

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)
    Before you do an experiment, you should review the literature. A review of the literature would have shown what you just posted. The hypothesis, then, for the experiment in NY should be that gun control laws don't work. If, as expected, gun violence does not decrease, then the hypothesis that gun control laws don't work should be confirmed.

    If, that is, laws were based on the scientific method instead of on emotions and wishful thinking.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It should be noted that D.C. had more restrictive gun control laws than NYC and yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. (last i heard and before SCOTUS ruled on that one case)
    It may occur to these libtards, after they pass even more moronic laws, that criminals tend not to obey laws, that is how they become criminals, after all. What is being sought, of course, is a set of "new" laws that require no actual victim or even any true "criminal intent"; NY can now create criminals, prosecute them, with only the need of an LEO (a professional state's witness), and then fine them, take their "unregistered" property and possibly even jail them. This is the liberal paradise, where the police rid the state of all "wrong thinking" folks that thought "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" did not mean that carrying a legally obtained gun in the state of NY was now a crime (unless granted prior permssion by the state of NY).
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Before you do an experiment, you should review the literature. A review of the literature would have shown what you just posted. The hypothesis, then, for the experiment in NY should be that gun control laws don't work. If, as expected, gun violence does not decrease, then the hypothesis that gun control laws don't work should be confirmed.

    If, that is, laws were based on the scientific method instead of on emotions and wishful thinking.
    You ignore the, all important, libtard variable. Once you have achieved a 75% complete list of all "registered" guns (step one) then you can "alter" the experiment by expanding the number of guns actually removed "from the streets" from ZERO to a higher number (step two). As long as the temperature of the cooking pot is gradually raised, the frog will eventually boil, not simply hop out.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/ny...Y&ei=5065&_r=2&

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    Umm.. Anyone have a pistol that has LESS than a 10-round clip? Answer. Nope you idiots!!

    Banning semi-auto shotguns, WHAT?

    What is military-style feature?


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    Most 1911 pistols are 7 round magazines (45 acp) and some pocket-pistols fall under the 7 round limit (sig-238, p3at, etc).

    Banning semi-auto shotguns will sure piss off the sporting-clays people.

    As to what a military-style feature is....I have no effing idea, I guess if it's black and looks scary.

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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    This looks like a perfect experiment to me.

    If gun violence in NY shows a dramatic decrease after this bill is passed, then gun control works.
    If it doesn't , then gun control doesn't work.

    Anyone taking any bets?
    Yep I will take the under, as in difference? What differrence? Gun crimes will go up even.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by StubbornMoose View Post
    Most 1911 pistols are 7 round magazines (45 acp) and some pocket-pistols fall under the 7 round limit (sig-238, p3at, etc).

    Banning semi-auto shotguns will sure piss off the sporting-clays people.

    As to what a military-style feature is....I have no effing idea, I guess if it's black and looks scary.
    Point taken, and look at all those lives we lose each year because of bayonet lugs on firearms, and the collapsible stocks on AR15's because they are generally the most dangerous parts of the gun.

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    This argument is entirely reliant on the hope that the electorate will never delve past this assumption. It requires that a large number of Americans be so unbearably ignorant and aloof that they fail to recognize that a firearm's recreational use has absolutely nothing to do with its usefulness in the context of the most obvious enumeration of our rights as Americans -- the Bill of Rights.

    Our Founders had very specific intentions in regard to firearms and the protection of the people's right to own them. And the intent had little, if anything, to do with hunting or sport. The more practical use of guns is to kill people, should that unpleasant need arise.

    Consider Thomas Jefferson's reasoning for why the citizenry must have firearms: "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."

    Thomas Jefferson is not known to be a careless author. This statement clearly shows our Founders' resolve in keeping the public armed. Neither was James Madison, principal author of the Bill of Rights. And neither are the chosen words of the Second Amendment careless in conveying this message: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Notably absent is any specificity about hunting or killing game. Notably present is specificity about what and whose rights must not be infringed. It is the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" that shall not be infringed. The "well-regulated militia" is admittedly necessary, but it is not the militia's right that is specifically protected. It is the "people" whose right is specifically protected, because our founders understood that to preserve our liberties, we must have the ability to take up arms against our rulers.
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    Re: NY State Senate passes sweeping gun regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Point taken, and look at all those lives we lose each year because of bayonet lugs on firearms, and the collapsible stocks on AR15's because they are generally the most dangerous parts of the gun.
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    I really doubt anyone in the modern age has been killed by this:
    KA9900.jpg

    so comical that they think they really need to regulate such trivial things such as this. If you really want to put a bayonet on your gun (rifle or pistol) go ahead, the only way it makes your gun more lethal is by adding the ability to make someone laugh themselves to death!


    and the only thing collapsible stocks do is allow you to adjust your rifle so that it fits you better, wtf, you can have your rifle but IT MUST BE UNCOMFORTABLE!

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