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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

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    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News




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    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    If this was their choice then it should be allowed. A modern, intelligent, and caring society should respect an individual's decision to end their life if the suffering is too much.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

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    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News




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    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    A tragic story by any standard. Living one's life deaf in a silent world is harsh enough. And then learning it is about to go dark also.

    From the nature of the article we can surmise the brothers were close and very dependant on each other. Electing death is sad but likely less sad than the alternative. Makes one really hope there is a heaven...


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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I think many of us would have never wanted the arrest of Jack Kevorkian.

    It was their choice. It is not my choice what they want to do.

    It is freedom to die willingly. If that is the case, then so be it.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    My mother developed a Chronic pain disease calle RSD. It's damage to the nerves, causing severe pain from sensations to the affected area (and sometimes even without anything touching it). To give a bit of comprehension, on the McGill Pain Index (0-50) arthritis pain comes in at 18, a fracture is around 20, a bone bruise is around 22, chronic back pain is a 26, an amputation of a digit is 40, and RSD comes in at 42.

    On a good day, when you ask her her pain on the normal "on a 1 to 10" scale she's somewhere between a 3 or 4 when she's just sitting down resting. On a bad day, she's got multiple hours with her face in a pillow crying and screaming while at a 9-10. On average, she goes around at about a 5-7.

    The woman is stubborn and has a great tolerance and faith (her father died at 36. Her answer during the psych eval concerning suicide was she'd never because she wants to see her Father again and wouldn't get there if she killed herself). She pushes through and after 2+ years of it now is doing a LOT better than many of those with the disease.

    But I see what it does to her, and while I can (and hopefully never will) truly understand the pain she's going through I can see it in her eyes and in her body and in her mood at times. I would never wish her to do it, I would never suggest her do it, I would never be happy with her doing it....but I would absolutely not condemn her nor fault her if she finally did, and while I'd be heart broken to lose my mother I'd be happy to know she was no longer living in agony every second of the day any longer.

    I don't know what kind of life these twins were having, I don't know what led them to personaly decide to go through with this, but lest they were clearly of unsound mind I'm not here to judge and nor do I think there's a responsability on the part of society to force individuals to live and tell them they must deal with their agony in the name of socities consious.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because we still value life in society....Now I guess you can make all the emotion based arguments you care to, but I don't agree.
    So essentially you value Life over Individual Freedom. You value the Governments Decision over the Individuals Decision. You value the health of societies morality at the expense of disenfranchisement of an individual over their own life.

    Well, I guess ultimately they could, if they were to act on their own, without outside help in the act, and little could be done about it....But, when you bring in a medical doctor, who takes an oath to 'do no harm', then proceeds to facilitate harm to life, then there is the question of value of life.
    Harm is potentially a tricky word in some of those cases, and even then that seems like it's more an issue of the doctors choice rather than a government mandate of illegality.

    If you want to off yourself, and do so without my knowledge, or help, then I would mourn the loss, if you ask me to help, I would say no.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    People with no medical training who try to commit suicide by themselves can bungle it and end up seriously injured or in a coma.

    A doctor has the medical knowledge to make sure it's done as compassionately and painlessly as possible.
    I am not saying the doctors shouldn't be involved, just that the patient needs to be the one who activates the final drug administration so there's no chance that it can be said they changed their mind at the last moment.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    As long as they were of sound mind and it was their choice and not the doctors who killed them.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am not saying the doctors shouldn't be involved, just that the patient needs to be the one who activates the final drug administration so there's no chance that it can be said they changed their mind at the last moment.
    The patient should not be conscious when the final drug is administered.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    The patient should not be conscious when the final drug is administered.
    You could always go my way.... A bullet to the head.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Fundamentally, I can't be for this, but as a human being, I can't bring myself to argue against it either.

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