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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because being blind and deaf need not mean being 100% isolated. I would prefer some effort be made to relieve their suffering before hitting them with the needle.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because we still value life in society....Now I guess you can make all the emotion based arguments you care to, but I don't agree.
    But you're making choices for them.

    They are adults. They alone know their plight and they alone know their misery.

    Why can't THEY make their own choices?

    That's the question? Not that you think more can or could be done.

    Why can't an adult, make an intelligent and reasoned decision to live or not live without your supervision or approval?

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    But you're making choices for them.

    They are adults. They alone know their plight and they alone know their misery.

    Why can't THEY make their own choices?

    That's the question? Not that you think more can or could be done.

    Why can't an adult, make an intelligent and reasoned decision to live or not live without your supervision or approval?

    Well, I guess ultimately they could, if they were to act on their own, without outside help in the act, and little could be done about it....But, when you bring in a medical doctor, who takes an oath to 'do no harm', then proceeds to facilitate harm to life, then there is the question of value of life.

    If you want to off yourself, and do so without my knowledge, or help, then I would mourn the loss, if you ask me to help, I would say no.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    But you're making choices for them.

    They are adults. They alone know their plight and they alone know their misery.

    Why can't THEY make their own choices?

    That's the question? Not that you think more can or could be done.

    Why can't an adult, make an intelligent and reasoned decision to live or not live without your supervision or approval?
    For one thing, I think people should have the right to assisted suicide. However, I am concerned that the avalability of this will make it easier to not provide the means which would make their lives worth living.

    For example, should an intelligent and rational person with a case of severe, but treatable, form of temporary depression be helped to commit suicide, or should they first be treated for their depression?

    Should the 1st option for an elderly person who doesn't want their condition to create "a burden on their family" be assisted suicide, or should we provide support for this person so that they won't be a "burden"? What if that elderly person is wealthy, is not strong willed, and is being pressured to off themselves by their greedy relatives?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I guess ultimately they could, if they were to act on their own, without outside help in the act, and little could be done about it....But, when you bring in a medical doctor, who takes an oath to 'do no harm', then proceeds to facilitate harm to life, then there is the question of value of life.
    All depends on how you define the "value of life" doesn't it? Simply breathing, eating, and expelling waste isn't valuable. It's merely existing.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If you want to off yourself, and do so without my knowledge, or help, then I would mourn the loss, if you ask me to help, I would say no.
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    For one thing, I think people should have the right to assisted suicide. However, I am concerned that the avalability of this will make it easier to not provide the means which would make their lives worth living.

    For example, should an intelligent and rational person with a case of severe, but treatable, form of temporary depression be helped to commit suicide, or should they first be treated for their depression?

    Should the 1st option for an elderly person who doesn't want their condition to create "a burden on their family" be assisted suicide, or should we provide support for this person so that they won't be a "burden"? What if that elderly person is wealthy, is not strong willed, and is being pressured to off themselves by their greedy relatives?
    Depression is quite a different animal.

    We're not talking about depression here.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Simply breathing, eating, and expelling waste isn't valuable.
    Then there are many in that category that should end it....heh, heh....
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Depression is quite a different animal.

    We're not talking about depression here.
    I'm not as sure as you are about that.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I don't personally support it, but its their decision. From the OP, its not clear if they were dying. We're they dying?

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't personally support it, but its their decision. From the OP, its not clear if they were dying. We're they dying?
    No, they were not. Dutch law doesn't require that the person have a terminal condition (which is a condition in the US)
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So long as it was the two men who made the decision to terminate life, and not the doctor, I'm fine with it. My only problem is that the men should have been required to be the ones who administered the fatal action, not the doctor. If you want to kill yourself, fine; but don't put that weight onto anyone other than yourself.
    People with no medical training who try to commit suicide by themselves can bungle it and end up seriously injured or in a coma.

    A doctor has the medical knowledge to make sure it's done as compassionately and painlessly as possible.

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