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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    But when somebody is tortured by medical conditions, whether they're terminal or chronic, there should be absolutely no question of their right to end that suffering.
    I'm totally in agreement, tessa. My only concern is that the individuals should be asked to do it by their own hand rather than having a doctor truly make that final decision. Whether it's a plunger, or some other form of active involvement, it would in my mind make their wishes much more fully known to take that final act themselves rather than leaving it to a medical professional.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Can you even imagine a single day in the life of these men? Living in a world of total darkness and silence, ESPECIALLY when you've lived your life in the light...that's unimaginable. These men would have gone from relatively independent to wholly incapable of living w/o extreme aid. They wouldn't be able to communicate as before, no reading, no TV, no views of their loved ones, no idea what's happening around you. I couldn't live that way and maintain my sanity.
    There are many, considerably less extreme situations that I have no interest in living through, nevermind what these two men were going to experience. I would hope that people would make their wishes known both to their loved ones and in writing, concerning what they are and are not willing to endure. It just makes things so much easier for the family to truly know what your wishes are ahead of time rather than having to guess and hope they made the right decision down the road.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News




    Thoughts?

    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    What would be their options? Suffer in a dark, silent world for the rest of their lives?

    I am not sure if I would have done it, but it is their choice.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I learned two lessons, nearly simultaneously, a long time ago.

    1) Empathize with the other person's reality and view of themselves

    2) Learn to be careful about putting yourself and your abilities into the lives of others

    As a result, I am in the middle here.

    I have sight and hearing, and rely on the latter more than the former (as a result of disability). As a result of my abilities and my orientation to learning, I would be crushed if I lost my ability to hear and had to overcome my disability in order to rely on sight. Nevertheless, I know that it can be done to a certain extent, and I would find a way to do it.

    When it comes to others, I am more willing to let an individual make the choice, but to do so being as free from societal pressure as possible. The reason is that the second lesson showed me that often times, we have ourselves saying "oh my gosh, I can't imagine living like that!" with regard to many disabilities, and as a result, seek to correct the "problem" or prevent such a life from forming to begin with-simply because we think our lives are preferable to others. You'll frequently see this happening to those who are not deaf (or those who eventually became deaf) talking to those who are deaf (especially those who were essentially born into deafness). On the flip side, I also know that we can have the tendency to thrust life onto others because we prefer it that way, but perhaps do not think enough what it is to be that person. And then again, we can suggest that that is the victimhood of what we call a false consciousness of disability (meaning, those with disabilities adopt prejudicial opinions of themselves socially constructed by society that are not inherently true), which very well may be the case. However, there are no absolutes here, and someone may very well wish to end their existence, because they find their lives that much less meaningful if they try to live it out.

    This is why people in the disability rights movement see much of the euthanization debate as being argued from an out-of-whack perspective, and conversely, many find themselves against many instances of it (or perhaps the entire thing). I'm not willing to go so far as to be against the concept of it, but rather against how many people actually frame it.

    I guess what I am saying is, while I see unanimity, I also see some rather careless statements in the thread as well.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    For those interested in deafblindness, you may want to consider that it isn't completely as it would seem either.

    Such children are effectively alone if no one is touching them. Their concepts of the world depend upon what or whom they have had the opportunity to physically contact. If a child who is deaf-blind has some usable vision and/or hearing, as many do, her or his world will be enlarged. Many children called deaf-blind have enough vision to be able to move about in their environments, recognize familiar people, see sign language at close distances, and perhaps read large print. Others have sufficient hearing to recognize familiar sounds, understand some speech, or develop speech themselves. The range of sensory impairments included in the term "deaf-blindness" is great.
    What is Deaf-Blindness

    Then, of course, a good Wikilist of prominent Deafblind individuals (some I hold in higher esteem than others):

    Francisco Goya (1746 – 1828): Spanish painter, deaf and blind by the time of his death.[4]
    Victorine Morriseau (1789 – 1832): first deafblind person to be educated in Paris.
    James Mitchell (1795 – 1869): congenitally deafblind son of Scottish minister.[5]
    Sanzan Tani (1802 – 1867): Japanese teacher who became deaf in childhood and blind later in life, communicating with students by touch.
    Hieronymus Lorm (1821 – 1902): inventor and novelist.
    Laura Bridgman (1829 – 1889): first deafblind child to be successfully educated in the US.
    Mary Bradley (? – 1866): first deafblind child to be successfully educated in the UK.
    Joseph Hague: second deafblind child to be successfully educated in the UK.
    Yvonne Pitrois (1880 – 1937): French biographer.
    Helen Keller (1880 – 1968): author, activist, and lecturer, first deafblind person to receive a Bachelor of Arts degree and perhaps the person most popularly associated with the condition.
    Alice Betteridge (1901 – 1966): first deafblind Australian to be educated. Teacher, traveller, writer.
    Jack Clemo (1916 – 1994): British poet who became deafblind as an adult.
    Richard Kenney (1924 – 1979): educator, lecturer, and poet; third deafblind person to graduate from an American university; president of the Hadley School for the Blind from 1975 to 1979.[6]
    Robert Smithdas (1925 – ): first deafblind person in the US to receive a master's degree.
    Mae Brown (1935 – 1973): Canada’s first deafblind university graduate; developed services for the deafblind at the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB). [7]
    Vasile Adamescu (1944 – ): Romanian teacher and sculptor.
    Theresa Poh Lin Chan (1945? – ): Singaporean teacher and writer.
    Anindya (Bapin) Bhattacharyya (1970? - ): technology expert living in the US.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It appears to have been what they wanted. If that is true then I'm okay with this.
    Yeah, but what if they change their minds?
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News




    Thoughts?

    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    Well considering they have hearing implants I find this idiotic decision to me extremely misguided and potentially influenced.

    But this is the type of crap you get with a progressive society - they murder people.

    These sick fools claim they care about people and they want to help but all they do is murder...

    It angers me anyone would allow this to happen considering technology could fix them - but I suppose that would be too expensive so the only option "for the greater good of society" in their case is to commit suicide.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    You should have sovereignty over your own body. It is fundamental.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well considering they have hearing implants I find this idiotic decision to me extremely misguided and potentially influenced.

    But this is the type of crap you get with a progressive society - they murder people.

    These sick fools claim they care about people and they want to help but all they do is murder...

    It angers me anyone would allow this to happen considering technology could fix them - but I suppose that would be too expensive so the only option "for the greater good of society" in their case is to commit suicide.
    We can "fix" blindness and/or deafness?

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    We can "fix" blindness and/or deafness?
    Yes. You can get cornea transplants for your eyes and can get hearing implants for your ears.

    Good as new.

    They can fix just about anyone these days.

    Hell there is this one paralyzed dude who has a computer input hooked to his brain and he can control a mouse courser with his brain and I saw that several years ago.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News

    Thoughts?

    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    Definitely. All hopeless, mindless and confused, blind people suffering under bizarre delusions should be euthanized. Such as liberals. And Dallas Cowboys fans, don't forget them.

    But seriously, the only way this differs from practice in the US is that they apparently used some method to actively end the children's lives rather than withdrawing care and giving them something to keep them comfortable while they died.

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