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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Deaf and blind. I can't imagine living that way. Yes, absolutely they should be allowed to make that decision and they absolutely should have the assistance of a doctor to go peacefully and painlessly. If the doctor doesn't help, they're just going to take a bunch of pills or something.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I have no issues with it, it was their choice. If I were going blind, I would choose to die as well. Deaf, I could handle but not blind.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't pretend to know the level of their suffering.
    It's there choice I suppose, kinda stinks they did choose that.

    Pretty well sums it up. Deaf is bad enough; blind would be terrible. Both? Inconceivable.

    I don't know what else to say other than to be selfishly thankful that neither I nor anyone I know faced such a choice.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

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    Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized - Yahoo! News




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    Should this kind of thing be "allowed" by a modern, intelligent, and caring society?
    I don't see anything wrong with it. If I lost both hearing and sight, I'd want to end my life as well.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I believe polls indicate that Americans overwhelmingly support physician assisted suicide. Yet only a couple states allow it. It's more evidence of how our laws have become so disjoint from our culture, and how impossibly recalcitrant the forces of social conservatism are.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I take the extreme minority position. I cannot support this (and that part at the end of the article about looking into the possibility of euthanizing children blows my mind).

    Now, even though nobody has even responded to me yet, I already feel defensive. Keep in mind, debate site and all.
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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    In a lot of cases of euthanasia the patients may be too feeble or otherwise physically incapable of doing it themselves. That's why they seek doctor assistance, as well as to ensure that proper procedures of the method used is followed.
    I've seen quadrapalegics shoot rifle matches with their mouths, sam. My father taught technical drawing/drafting to a kid who used his FEET like hands. We can come up with a means for these people to be able to make their intent perfectly clear by initiating the final act themselves. I'll explain why below.

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    What difference does it make? The men want a service performed, the doctor is willing to provide it.
    In my mind it makes a major difference. First of all, since I do not trust the vast majority of the medical practitioners out there, I'm not certain that I want them to have that sort of power. Especially as we move into a place where medical insurance payments and things of that nature have become more and more of a concern.

    I also believe that requiring the individual to initiate the final act has significant moral and legal implications.....

    On the legal side, suicide is not a crime which can easily be prosecuted, while murder is. Obviously some states still have issues with assisted suicide, but I feel that's less of an issue than the potential murder/manslaughter charge and the possibility of civil liability.

    On the moral side there are issues as well. The first is the willingness of the individual to take their own life. My way of doing things forces that individual to truly make the FINAL decision. There is no chance of error or recanting just beyond the moment of truth. They make the decision and must carry it out themselves. There is also the issue of the Hypocratic Oath that the doctor takes, and whether doing this would violate that. Lastly, there is the idea that one should stand before their Maker and accept responsibility for their own actions. Therefore, what is the impact on the Immortal Soul of having someone else do this for you.

    Additionally, at least in my own case, my living will and DNR order include stipulations that many medical professionals do not agree with. Things that I do not wish to live through; treatments I will not accept; and common situations that I would/will deal with in very different ways than they prefer. Therefore, I do not want those decisions placed in the hands of the medical community, should it ever come to that.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    If there is just one thing you should be able to own, it is yourself. Just a terrible situation, i can't imagine having to live like that.

    RIP.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    I have no issue with this. But I have issues in some cases.. two were mentioned already.. Children and Dementia. The others I have problems with are people who decide to "exit" early in a disease which knowledge can be gathered to treat future patients. Now I am not talking about people who are stage 4 cancer but rather (say) people with Congenital Heart Defect who are hitting their early 30s and 40s who are the first generation of patients who've survived that long and there is tons of new information being learned due to it. I see those cases of selfishness which could mean the denial of a child in the future of a longer healthier life.

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    Re: Deaf Twins Going Blind Euthanized

    There are members of my family who, having seen the suffering of loved ones, have no desire to succumb to the same fate. I imagine in today's society here in America they'll be forced to either die painfully by rejecting nutrients or risk a botched suicide attempt via pills or bullets....or they'll suffer the fate they sought to avoid, spending their last years as shells of their former selves. Where's the dignity in any of that? As another poster said, ones own birth is not our choice...but the rest of our lives should be. Any older teen or adult who can be categorically shown to know the difference between life and death should be allowed to choose which they want, assuming their desire for death is unrelated to treatable mental illness or side effects of medications such as Zoloft or Chantrix (proven to cause suicidal thoughts/desires).

    But when somebody is tortured by medical conditions, whether they're terminal or chronic, there should be absolutely no question of their right to end that suffering.

    Can you even imagine a single day in the life of these men? Living in a world of total darkness and silence, ESPECIALLY when you've lived your life in the light...that's unimaginable. These men would have gone from relatively independent to wholly incapable of living w/o extreme aid. They wouldn't be able to communicate as before, no reading, no TV, no views of their loved ones, no idea what's happening around you. I couldn't live that way and maintain my sanity.
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