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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    You conservatives and Libertarians need to look up what the constitution says:

    You and your ilk politiians are just wasting time trying to make a point:

    Federal preemption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    According to the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, clause 2) of the United States Constitution,
    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

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    Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    You conservatives and Libertarians need to look up what the constitution says:

    You and your ilk politiians are just wasting time trying to make a point:

    Federal preemption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    According to the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, clause 2) of the United States Constitution,
    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
    That's because the federal government is supposed to hold the minimum standards for laws and the states can add to those standards how they see fit...

    That was NOT intended to mean that the federal government is supreme over the states... If it was, than why even have states?? Why not just have a central federal government?

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That's because the federal government is supposed to hold the minimum standards for laws and the states can add to those standards how they see fit...

    That was NOT intended to mean that the federal government is supreme over the states... If it was, than why even have states?? Why not just have a central federal government?
    The statists are getting desperate. Their words are falling on deaf ears, they've pushed too hard and too far, so now they are trying to interpret the old standby of "the supremacy clause". The big problem they face is that the battles they've picked are big enough that the states are finally holding them to the enumerated powers half of it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Has anyone heard any updated news out of Wyoming? Are they still pushing this thru their legislature? Any word from any of their National Politicians since the release of this OP?

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Has anyone heard any updated news out of Wyoming? Are they still pushing this thru their legislature? Any word from any of their National Politicians since the release of this OP?
    Many officials from Oregon to Mississippi are voicing their opposition.
    Put this in your search engine for various links.

    Sheriff's responding to gun control legislation

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You like that idea? Try this on for size....I know that you are anti-gun and I have a gun that I never registered. One day I get stopped and the cops ask me where I got the gun so I give them your name....now you have to prove that you didn't sell me the gun or rot in jail. Hell, I'll probably be allowed to plea down to almost nothing by giving up a trafficker.
    Why would the cop be asking where you got the gun? Have you already committed a crime?

    If so, your credibility would already be in question compared to mine.

    Where did we exchange the gun? How much did I charge you?

    Oh, and the serial number on the gun may identify the original dealer. (or at least it should)

    You really didn't think this through

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Why would the cop be asking where you got the gun? Have you already committed a crime?

    If so, your credibility would already be in question compared to mine.

    Where did we exchange the gun? How much did I charge you?

    Oh, and the serial number on the gun may identify the original dealer. (or at least it should)

    You really didn't think this through
    If the gun grabbers have their way then wouldn't it stand to reason that a cop could ask anyone with a gun where they got it? If not then what is the point of the law in the first place?

    As far as where and how much....remember, you're my neighbor so it was obviously in your garage a few weeks ago and I gave you a couple of hundred bucks cash because you were concerned that a check would be traceable and you didn't want to get busted.

    The serial number would allow the gun to be traced to an FFL who should have a 4473 on file for it but if I wasn't the original owner than name would be different than mine.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    didn't realize the population of wyoming was this dense

    if something is actually found to be unConstitutional, then it cannot be enforced. no new legislation at the state level modifies that reality

    the reich wing politicians are only stating the obvious in that regard

    now, if the state officials want to impose their own interpertation regarding what should be found unConstitutional and then try before the state court a federal employee performing his fiduciary responsibilities, expect a show down. not unlike Eisenhower sending in the National Guard to enforce the federal non-discrimination laws in arkansas

    for the younger crowd, the state officials lost
    Yeah, I read this and did a double-take, too. The people of Wyoming really can't be that dense, can they? The 2nd Amendment is a federally protected right under the Constitution. No matter what the state does, their laws will never trump federal law. Try to stop a federal official from doing his/her job.

    Folk have to remember, the Supreme Court has already declared that the federal government (Congress) can set limits on gun control as long as those limits don't take away a person's 2nd Amendment rights. I seriously doubt the fed will ever try to take away anyone's gun(s) unless that individual has broken the law where removel of his firearm is warranted, i.e., felony (assault with a deadly weapon (gun), armed robbery, etc.). The only cause for the state of Wyoming to go forward with such a law is to insight insurrection against the government. The state really needs to be careful here that it doesn't open up a can of worms it can't close so easily.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That's because the federal government is supposed to hold the minimum standards for laws and the states can add to those standards how they see fit...

    That was NOT intended to mean that the federal government is supreme over the states... If it was, than why even have states?? Why not just have a central federal government?
    I get what you're saying here, but here's the problem as I see it:

    The Wyoming legislature is trying to do two separate things using one law: 1) impose stronger gun rights legislation at the state level (which may hold stiffer penalties than federal law which is fine); and, 2) deny federal officials from over-stepping said state-level gun rights legislation.

    No matter what Wyoming does, their law can never trump federal law nor bar federal officials from conducting official federal business within their state. Why? Because federal officials in their capacity to uphold federal regulations as proposed by Congress and signed into law by the President can never be abridged by the separate states. Unless the residents of the State of Wyoming wish to bring about insurrection, they'd be smart to back far away from this.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    You conservatives and Libertarians need to look up what the constitution says:

    You and your ilk politiians are just wasting time trying to make a point:

    Federal preemption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    According to the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, clause 2) of the United States Constitution,
    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
    There's also this from Article VI, clause 3, first sentence:

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution...
    Like I said, residents of Wyoming needs to back far away from what their state GOP legislators are proposing.

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