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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post

    They say the Fed tries and takes their Rights.....it will be a crime. Already they have Police Chiefs and Sherriffs are already working on Strategies to protect gun rights in their jurisdiction. They are wasting no time with this State Legislation.
    Three points:

    1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.

    2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

    3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.

    2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.

    3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.
    We've tried it the nice way for almost eighty years, don. Since 1934 the Federal and State governments have been slowly but surely chipping away at our Second Amendment Rights. At some point, someone has to stand up and say "NO MORE!!!" For some of us, many of us even, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is more important than even the Right to Life. Many of us are willing to trade our lives to protect the RTKBA. I hope that Mr. Obama thinks about that before he opens his mouth tomorrow morning and starts making us even less proud of our Government.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

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    As the Obama administration plots various assaults on gun rights by “executive order” and legislation, proposals described as “very extreme” even by some Democrats, state lawmakers in Wyoming have another idea. Republican legislators are rallying behind nullification legislation that would void unconstitutional infringements on the right to keep and bear arms, even providing prison time for any federal agents who may try to enforce Washington, D.C., gun control in the state. Lawmakers expect it to pass.

    The new bill, H.B. 0104 or the “Firearms Protection Act,” would nullify any new federal infringements on the constitutionally protected gun rights of state residents — who enjoy some of the lowest crime rates while being among the most heavily armed people in America. Unconstitutional federal gun registration schemes, as well as restrictions on semi-automatic guns or standard-capacity magazines, would also be nullified under the legislation.

    There are teeth in the proposed law too: Any federal official attempting to enforce unconstitutional statutes or decrees infringing on gun rights passed after January 1 of this year would be charged with a felony. If convicted, criminal officials would be punished by up to five years in state prison and a $5,000 fine. The legislation also authorizes the state attorney general to defend citizens of Wyoming if federal authorities seek prosecutions under unconstitutional gun control rules.


    Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds

    Alright Wyoming. They say the Fed tries and takes their Rights.....it will be a crime. Already they have Police Chiefs and Sherriffs are already working on Strategies to protect gun rights in their jurisdiction. They are wasting no time with this State Legislation.
    I think we are going to see more of this type of legislation as the federal continues to push for expansion. During the oil spill in '10 Plaquemines(Plak a mens) parish president was getting frustrated with all of the federal officials getting in the way of the local cleanup efforts so he just went up to them and warned them that if they didn't back away and let the crews get their work accomplished he would instruct the sheriff's office to arrest them on obstruction and then the D.A. would file prosecution papers.

    I see a trend of the smaller governments getting sick and tired of federal overstepping of their authority.
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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We've tried it the nice way for almost eighty years, don. Since 1934 the Federal and State governments have been slowly but surely chipping away at our Second Amendment Rights. At some point, someone has to stand up and say "NO MORE!!!" For some of us, many of us even, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is more important than even the Right to Life. Many of us are willing to trade our lives to protect the RTKBA. I hope that Mr. Obama thinks about that before he opens his mouth tomorrow morning and starts making us even less proud of our Government.
    It has to be done legally. If one becomes free to put one's cause, no matter how noble, ahead of the constitutional avenues for pursuing it, the constitution and its protections would cease to have meaning. IMO, such an outcome would not safeguard the constitution's protections, but put them at risk, as any party that has the capacity to exert its will, could do so under such circumstances.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Again? When was the first lesson?

    Sigh. Another bunch of right wing crackers spouting bull****.
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    Really? Where was the racial slur?
    Lol.

    "Cracker" is as much of a racial slur as "nigger" and "beaner" are.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It has to be done legally. If one becomes free to put one's cause, no matter how noble, ahead of the constitutional avenues for pursuing it, the constitution and its protections would cease to have meaning. IMO, such an outcome would not safeguard the constitution's protections, but put them at risk, as any party that has the capacity to exert its will, could do so under such circumstances.
    The issue with that mentality in this case is the fact that it is the SCOTUS, the POTUS, and the US Congress who are the Constitutional avenues for pursuing these issues and they've ALL repeatedly proven that they are not on our side to any degree in this fight.

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The issue with that mentality in this case is the fact that it is the SCOTUS, the POTUS, and the US Congress who are the Constitutional avenues for pursuing these issues and they've ALL repeatedly proven that they are not on our side to any degree in this fight.
    given that array of opposition and their credentials, that recurring opposition to what you believe, by august officials, should cause you to reflect on the soundness of your personal beliefs

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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Not unless 'cracker' is now recognized as one of the world's races. The last time I checked, it wasn't.

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    Really? Where was the racial slur?
    Cracker is a racial slur for white people, and unless you live in a cave, you knew that, you're just trying to play stupid.

    From dictionary.com:
    crack·er [krak-er] Show IPA
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    Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.

    N***er, spick, wetback, cracker, etc. are all racial slurs. As racial slurs they are not the NAME of the race. Your uneducation on the subject is appalling. Do you call black people "n***ers" but say "no, no, it's ok, that's not a race."?

    I'd also like to remind you that you have violated the rules of this forum by calling someone by a racial slur. It also in the process made you and your ramblings look like horrifically ignorant.
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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Three points:

    1. Prospective changes in the nation's gun laws might be subject to constitutional challenge. That legal avenue would exist regardless of any laws adopted by Wyoming. Legal avenues and elections is where the battle should be fought. Soft secession is not the proper approach.
    It's not a "soft secession" per se but re establishing in a small way the balance between a state's rights and the federal's enumerated powers. Arresting federal agents for violating law is a hell of a first step into reinstituting federalism. The problem is we have a federal government that is overplaying it's hand and has done so for nearly a century. The states hold most of the domestic power in the U.S. but have been coerced into compliance with federal expansion, it would actually warm my heart to see a few federal officers incarcerated under such a law.

    2. Wyoming is not a sovereign country. Federal law takes primacy over state law. Were Wyoming to adopt laws that interfere with federal enforcement beyond what is constitutionally permissible e.g., legal challenges are allowable, those acts would amount to crimes. The federal government would be justified in taking extraordinary measures in such circumstances. That it could take such measures has precedent e.g., as had been the case when it came to enforcement of the civil rights laws.
    States are sovereign by the nature of the constitution, we are a federal republic. The only powers the federal are supposed to have are explicitly spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, there has been a massive power grab since the Wilson administration.
    3. Should the federal government have to take such extraordinary measures, the political leaders and others responsible for bringing about such a situation should be held accountable to the fullest extent under the law. At the same time, the State of Wyoming should be required to fully compensate the federal government.
    Nope, wrong. When the federal oversteps it's authority it has no recourse. I'm all in favor of Wyoming passing this law and I hope my state, Texas, and more follow.
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    Re: Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Lol.

    "Cracker" is as much of a racial slur as "nigger" and "beaner" are.
    Correct. Though some "race based" scholars tried to issue an argument that racial slurs can't apply to majority populations because they have power and don't have the right to be offended.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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