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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If the Conservatives all left, who would pay for the liberals? Particularly the newly minted "American Citizens." It would be like taking the adults out of all homes with small, infantile children that continually shriek "I hate you" to their parents.
    Well feel free too leave and find out, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Since you hate America so much, go for it. Go to your conservative dream land of Iran or North Korea. Enjoy it.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If the Conservatives all left, who would pay for the liberals? Particularly the newly minted, helpless, dependent "American Citizens." It would be like taking the adults out of all homes with small, infantile children that continually shriek "I hate you" to their parents.
    Except for one big problem....it is the BLUE states that are the ones that are supporting the Red States. The Conservative red states are the biggest "takers" out there. Oops.
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Except for one big problem....it is the BLUE states that are the ones that are supporting the Red States. The Conservative red states are the biggest "takers" out there. Oops.
    Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture

    Case in point: Mississippi gets $2.73 back from the Feds for every $1 paid in. Minnesota gets 0.64 per dollar.


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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well feel free too leave and find out, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Since you hate America so much, go for it. Go to your conservative dream land of Iran or North Korea. Enjoy it.
    Again, you've missed the point, the idea is to stay and take out the trash. Americans have traditionally always been up to that job, regardless of what it takes.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Did anyone think that the great state of Texas was actually gonna secede?

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Of all the states, AFAIK only Hawaii and Texas were nations before they were states. And just as we allow states to join our union we should allow states to leave. But this wasn't that, this was a petition signed by a very small amount of people, not reflecting the will of the state.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture

    Case in point: Mississippi gets $2.73 back from the Feds for every $1 paid in. Minnesota gets 0.64 per dollar.
    Case more to the point: MS (red) gets $2.73 back but WV (blue) gets $2.83 back. The average difference is .25 (all blue vs. all red) in favor of the red states. What is ignored, of course, is that southern states are more red than northern states, yet retirees favor the warmer, lower cost southern states for their retirement life; naturally retirees get lots of federal money SS/Medicare yet pay very little taxes. Hmm...
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    I believe that the people within geographic regions have a right to self determination. If a clear majority of Texans want to secede I would support that right, just as I support the rights of Chechens, Kurds and Palestinaians to autonomy. If I was President, I would have let the south secede instead of having a bloody civil war. The slaves could have been freed with other means, and freeing the slaves was not the actual motivation for the civil war.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I believe that the people within geographic regions have a right to self determination. If a clear majority of Texans want to secede I would support that right, just as I support the rights of Chechens, Kurds and Palestinaians to autonomy. If I was President, I would have let the south secede instead of having a bloody civil war. The slaves could have been freed with other means, and freeing the slaves was not the actual motivation for the civil war.
    The difference with Chechens and Texans is that Chechens are a different nationality than Russians. Texans are Americans. So it's not really the same thing.

    I'd be hard pressed to think of another way the slaves would have been freed. Even gradual abolition plans would have left some people in slavery until the 1900's. The real motivation wasn't to free the slaves, but don't fool yourself - slavery is really what the Civil War was about.


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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by bigrobmjca View Post
    Did anyone think that the great state of Texas was actually gonna secede?
    Did anybody really think Obama was going to say "Fine, go ahead?" Of course not.


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