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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Is there an argument (not based on federal law) against the right to self determination that would not apply to opposing the right of the American colonies to secede from Great Britain in 1776? In other words, why was it OK for the American British colonies to seek independence, but not Texas? (assuming a majority of Texans support independence)
    To play devils advocate, the British Empire wasnt voluntary in the first place. The colonies were not members of the Empire, they were the Empire.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Why should we stop at the state level? If a majority in any area want to secede, why shouldn't they be able to? Why shouldn't Orange County, Florida be able to secede from the Union? How about, Los Angeles County, California? Why shouldn't we be able to define our own area that may want to secede, and not follow any existing political boundaries? How many people should have be in an area before it is has the "right" to secede? Can Wyoming secede? What do we do about the obligations which the secessionists are a party to, such as national debts? This is especially important if the seceding area is a significant portion of the population. What if Washington, Oregon and California want to secede? That would be a lot of people who suddenly would have off loaded their obligations to those left behind.
    They should be able to, at the individual level. Groups dont have natural rights, individuals do. And debts incurred by the Union are owed by the Union, not the members of the union. Once a state is independent they are no longer obligated to promises the union made.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They should be able to, at the individual level. Groups dont have natural rights, individuals do. And debts incurred by the Union are owed by the Union, not the members of the union. Once a state is independent they are no longer obligated to promises the union made.
    So, if everyone secedes from the union, then no one has to pay?
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    The Texas population is 25,674,681. Approximately 125,000 signed it, but many were not even Texas residents. I don't see what is newsworthy of the White House denying succession based on a online petition with signatures from 0.004% of the population, less if you don't count the out of state signatures. I don't think this succession movement is nearly as big as some make it out to be.
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    So, if everyone secedes from the union, then no one has to pay?
    I suppose the debtors could try and make you pay, but thats the risk you take loaning money.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Where specifically in the Constitution is Secession prohibited?
    It's not prohibited anywhere.

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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I'd require a visa before we let any of them into the United States, however.
    Too bad you don't feel the same about illegal aliens.
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    You have no idea how I feel about illegal aliens. Therefore your comment is just uniformed drivel.
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Why should we stop at the state level? If a majority in any area want to secede, why shouldn't they be able to? Why shouldn't Orange County, Florida be able to secede from the Union? How about, Los Angeles County, California? Why shouldn't we be able to define our own area that may want to secede, and not follow any existing political boundaries? How many people should have be in an area before it is has the "right" to secede? Can Wyoming secede? What do we do about the obligations which the secessionists are a party to, such as national debts? This is especially important if the seceding area is a significant portion of the population. What if Washington, Oregon and California want to secede? That would be a lot of people who suddenly would have off loaded their obligations to those left behind.
    Why should 50.1% of the population get to abruptly decide that my land is no longer part of the United States of America?
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    Re: White House denies Texas secession

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why should 50.1% of the population get to abruptly decide that my land is no longer part of the United States of America?
    They dont. You can choose for yourself, though it might be tough to be encircled by a new country.

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