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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    That was a different time. Why is it so difficult to understand?
    So during this time it's NOT a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay it's own bills? This time it's NOT a sign we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries? Increasing our debt won't weaken us domestically and internationally this time? Leadership no longer means "the buck stops here"? This time it wouldn't be shifting the burden of the choice onto the backs of our children and grand children?

    What of those things would not apply this time if you felt they applied in 2006...and specifically, why?

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah and that's not what you stated as evidenced.....

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    Maybe because he didn't say anything like that (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters).....snip~

    Anytime Presidents what to start throwing EP round domestically always needs to be watched.
    And I was right. he didn't say anything like that (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters).
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    A different time? It was 6 years ago. What you really meant is "that was a different President."
    Did the Democarats hold Bush hostage by refusing to raise the limit if he didn't cut the budget? No. End of discussion.
    There is nothing wrong with a symbolic gesture as long as the leadership is sure to have enough votes to raise the limit. That is not the case now. It's a different time.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Who said that? Obama wants to reduce the deficit further with budget cuts and revenue from tax reform. That has nothing to do with paying the bills though.
    Yeah you may like to believe that, but that is how it never works. Budget cuts=budget increases somewhere else which is why we are at our debt ceiling. Ryan's 2040 balanced budget plan was crap and so is everything else that is coming out of Washington.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    there was nothing about doing anything unconstitutional (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters)
    Sorry most of us knows what the 2nd amendment means (except the anti-2nd amendment facist totalitarian left wingers). So we arent falling for your crap

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Did the Democarats hold Bush hostage by refusing to raise the limit if he didn't cut the budget? No. End of discussion.
    There is nothing wrong with a symbolic gesture as long as the leadership is sure to have enough votes to raise the limit. That is not the case now. It's a different time.
    Actually, Democrats have threatened to hold the debt limit hostage | WashingtonExaminer.com

    I'm always amazed at how partisanship seems to affect memory.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So during this time it's NOT a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay it's own bills? This time it's NOT a sign we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries? Increasing our debt won't weaken us domestically and internationally this time? Leadership no longer means "the buck stops here"? This time it wouldn't be shifting the burden of the choice onto the backs of our children and grand children?

    What of those things would not apply this time if you felt they applied in 2006...and specifically, why?
    What is different is the threat of default, a dangerous game that puts the entire worlds economy in jeopardy and will increase what we owe.
    There was NO threat of default because Obama said that Bush's deficits were horrible, Which they were.
    If you can't see that that is different, then you are blind.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Actually, Democrats have threatened to hold the debt limit hostage | WashingtonExaminer.com

    I'm always amazed at how partisanship seems to affect memory.
    From the article
    In the end, the commission didn’t happen, Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling, and all the Democratic senators except Bayh went along
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Actually, Democrats have threatened to hold the debt limit hostage | WashingtonExaminer.com

    I'm always amazed at how partisanship seems to affect memory.
    I especially like this gem from your link:

    Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh agreed. “There are rare moments of leverage in this institution where you can implement fundamental change,” he said. “This is one of those moments, we must seize it.”
    Seems quite pertinent in the current environment…
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What is different is the threat of default, a dangerous game that puts the entire worlds economy in jeopardy and will increase what we owe.
    There was NO threat of default because Obama said that Bush's deficits were horrible, Which they were.
    If you can't see that that is different, then you are blind.
    not really. projects can be pushed back or delayed. Government workers can be laid off. The government shut down saved us money.

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