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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So basically none of the things he said before don't apply to now...the only difference is he was free to spout political rhetoric and what he believed to be true because everyone else was going to vote differently then him, and now more people agree with him and thus his stance is wrong?
    Did Obama threaten default if he didn't get what he wanted? NO .
    Is that what a minority party in the House is doing now? Yes.
    Is that a stupid thing to do? Most definitely YES.
    It is dangerously stupid and may cost us dearly and increase our debt.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Iguanaman just got done implying that very thing, homey.
    In that case, he was wrong
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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah....so there wouldn't automatically be a defaulting on our debts, nor any decision by the congress to default on our debts, but rather if multiple other actions AFTER the fact occurred in a specific way THEN it may do so. In which case, those other decisions are responsible, since there were other action that could be taken AFTER not raising the debt ceiling that wouldn't cause us to not pay our debt.
    Going into default would most surely cause another drop in our credit rating and raise interest on our debt making it more and more difficult to pay off.
    Is that what you think will help us?

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Small minority? Perhaps you should define how many (few) it takes to make a small minority.



    That vote went 52-48 if I remember accurately.
    According to the article you linked to, *every* dem (but one) voted to raise the debt limit.
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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In that case, he was wrong
    No person or party has threatened to default on the debt in words or deeds before Republicans in 2011.
    Threatening to not vote for a debt ceiling increase is not the same as threatening default. I can't believe that is so complicated to understand.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Did Obama threaten default if he didn't get what he wanted? NO .
    Again, no one's presented a single name of a person "threatening default".

    Second, Obama isn't King now nor was he King then. He was not in the position to threaten such because the rest of his party wasn't agreeing with him on that stand. So he was either pandering and outright lying about his views because he knew they'd never happen OR he honestly believed it but simply had no chance of making it come to pass.

    Is that what a minority party in the House is doing now? Yes.
    Really? Again, quote me actual people suggesting default. I've anxiously asked for people to present that all thread long with the stated intention to decry the suggestion. So far there's been nothing but ambiguous unnamed source stories about "GOP members" without a singular name.

    Is that a stupid thing to do? Most definitely YES.
    Which is irrelevant to whether or not Obama's statements in 2006 are true in 2013.

    It is dangerously stupid and may cost us dearly and increase our debt.
    Agree in terms of the notion of a default...then again, raising the debt limit is also going to increase our debt and cost us dearly.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Going into default would most surely cause another drop in our credit rating and raise interest on our debt making it more and more difficult to pay off.
    Is that what you think will help us?
    Wonderful straw manning. Next time, try actually responding to what I type and state, not the figment in your head based on your bigoted prejudices against those that considered themselves conservative.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And what about the cuts Republicans want to make? The Democrats just don't know how to say yes.

    /illogical partisan thinking


    What specific cuts have the Republicans proposed? Link please?
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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What are you trying to argue? That a refusal to raise the debt ceiling would force the government to balance the budget?
    That a refusal to raise the debt ceiling would result in a number of options that could potentially offset the money we'd end up needing. And, that arbitrarily choosing ONE such option and proclaiming that one party is voting for / desiring/ wanting that specific option, without any evidence what so ever of individuals supporting said option, is dishonest and factually incorrect.

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    re: Obama chides GOP on debt limit: 'We are not a deadbeat nation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What specific cuts have the Republicans proposed? Link please?
    While I realize this is probably a waste of time but here goes:

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    Last edited by Dickieboy; 01-14-13 at 09:22 PM.
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