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    Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    The Orange County Sheriff's Office is experimenting with two surveillance drones that it hopes to turn loose over Metro Orlando skies this summer.Sheriff's spokesman Jeff Williamson would not reveal specific uses for the drones, larger versions of which are known for flying over tribal regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan to drop bombs on suspected terrorists.
    But Williamson did say Orange's remote-controlled planes would not be armed. The agency still needs approval from county leaders and the Federal Aviation Administration to use them. The FAA said it does not comment on drone applications.

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    "This is unwise and unnecessary. … Sheriffs are supposed to be sheriffs, not the U.S. Army," said Doug Head, a Democratic activist who closely follows Orange County politics.


    Drones could soon be flying in Orange County skies - OrlandoSentinel.com

    Many argue that real political change begins, and is strongest at the local levels. This is one area where there is near unanimity in silence from the loudest voices that screamed that Bush, Republicans, and "NeoCons" were circumventing the right to privacy through its use of warrant-less surveillance of calls entering the US from overseas, from people known to be affiliated with AQ in some way. Now, look at what the tech world in fighting wars has brought us...

    Now, for those of you who agree that we should not have drones, and the capabilities that come with technology they have, should we also be railing against Helicopter units within the law enforcement community?

    And for those of you who say it is no different that the Helicopter unit, then my question is can the Helo unit see inside your house?

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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Many argue that real political change begins, and is strongest at the local levels. This is one area where there is near unanimity in silence from the loudest voices that screamed that Bush, Republicans, and "NeoCons" were circumventing the right to privacy through its use of warrant-less surveillance of calls entering the US from overseas, from people known to be affiliated with AQ in some way. Now, look at what the tech world in fighting wars has brought us...

    Now, for those of you who agree that we should not have drones, and the capabilities that come with technology they have, should we also be railing against Helicopter units within the law enforcement community?

    And for those of you who say it is no different that the Helicopter unit, then my question is can the Helo unit see inside your house?

    I admit I really don't know how I feel about this.

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    I see no problem with it, with proper regulations. These drones can see inside your house?? I highly doubt it. It's really no different than a police helicopter, I'd say

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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Here is the reality of crime in "the hood"; no witnesses, since the "code of silence" is nearly absolute. "Snitching" (reporting crime to police) is often a DP offense via "street justice". Gang/drug crime is a reality, "witnesses" to most of it are not. What these "eyes in the sky" could provide is video witnesses to a lot of that "mysterious" crime that occurs in plain view of many yet was "seen" by nobody.
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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    I live in a very rural area across from the Great Dismal Swamp. Several years ago a hunter became lost in that swamp. His girl friend called authorities to tell them he had not yet returned from the hunt. A large search party was assembled with police helicopters searching the area. Since I have no neighbors, I never close the shades to my windows. I had gone to bed early and I was awakened around 10 by a bright light in my face. I looked out the window to see a helicopter hovering just above my house with a search light beamed into my window. I flipped them the bird at which moment the helicopter rose and went off toward the swamp a quarter of mile away. Granted, I have woods behind my house, but that pilot knew where the swamp was, and if that hunter was in my back yard, he was no longer lost. They charge people with crimes for being peeping Toms, but this was the police shining spotlights in open windows in the hopes they'd see my wife half naked. Instead they got a very irate husband awakened form a deep sleep. I called the local authorities over the incident, but I got the cursory reply that the helicopter was en route to the swamp and the light just barely brushed by my window. I have been around rotary and fixed wing aircraft over 30 years. I know when one is hovering or not. Somehow, I no longer feel safe around law enforcement.

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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    I guess it depends on what type of drones they're using. Some of these drones can get pretty dang small, can't they? I'm betting it'll become something of a game for vandals to try to shoot down these drones as if they were remote control helicopters toys.

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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Drones (and helicopters) are operated by humans. Humans are fallible. Humans will do things they shouldn't be doing, but will because they can. It is not, and will never be, as truly neutral as they want you to think it is.
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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I see no problem with it, with proper regulations. These drones can see inside your house?? I highly doubt it. It's really no different than a police helicopter, I'd say
    "A report published last week by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) shows that our laws are currently unprepared to deal with the privacy implications posed by the use of drones.

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    Thanks to technology like the Xaver 800 from Camero, which uses electromagnetic radar to construct 3D images of hidden objects, law enforcement and military personnel can now “see” through walls. Combine this with laser radar and thermal imaging techniques, and our homes practically have glass walls, as far as the police are concerned. Thompson estimates that similar technology will eventually be outfitted on drones, allowing them to see through ceilings and walls. The question before the courts will be: Without a warrant, is that reasonable?"

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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Many argue that real political change begins, and is strongest at the local levels. This is one area where there is near unanimity in silence from the loudest voices that screamed that Bush, Republicans, and "NeoCons" were circumventing the right to privacy through its use of warrant-less surveillance of calls entering the US from overseas, from people known to be affiliated with AQ in some way. Now, look at what the tech world in fighting wars has brought us...

    Now, for those of you who agree that we should not have drones, and the capabilities that come with technology they have, should we also be railing against Helicopter units within the law enforcement community?

    And for those of you who say it is no different that the Helicopter unit, then my question is can the Helo unit see inside your house?

    I admit I really don't know how I feel about this.

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    Helicopters and drones are two different things. Drones can cheaply be mass produced, fly inside your window without anyone noticing, come in all sort of shapes and sizes. A helicopter can easily be spotted,can't really be cheaply mass produced and has to be manned so there is no danger of thousand or more helicopters flying around the city spying on people. No amount of safety justifies the government being allowed to spy on the people.
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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    "Thompson estimates that similar technology will eventually be outfitted on drones, allowing them to see through ceilings and walls."

    How many years do you suppose until your fears become reality?
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    Re: Sheriff's Office wants to fly drones over Orange County skies

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    "Thompson estimates that similar technology will eventually be outfitted on drones, allowing them to see through ceilings and walls."

    How many years do you suppose until your fears become reality?

    Ahem....Last year...

    While driving out of Florida into southern Georgia last year I went through the Dept of Ag. station as all trucks do. They had on sight a truck mounted "BackScan" x ray machine and were pulling trucks randomly through. Then there were reports of this....

    Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans - Forbes


    The tech is already present.
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