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    Re: Lawyer says suspect in Oregon bomb plot was entrapped

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    What a defense. If he did as you suggested, then he would be blocked from taking a bus, blocked to drive..... Otherwise, there was no meaning that FBI blocking him getting on an airplane. I have a question. If school teacher train students to do terrorist work, what will you do to the teacher? He will be sued. That's what FBI had done in those sting case. And you blame the kid who following the instruction. Why didn't you teach him something good to lead him to a right way?
    Yes I do. Because if the FBI tried to train me (or any sane person) to kill innocent people I WOULD NOT DO IT! NO BODY WOULD!
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    Re: Lawyer says suspect in Oregon bomb plot was entrapped

    Read this:

    Manufacturing Terrorists

    Inside the FBI's terror sting operations.

    Michael German | January 15, 2013

    In addition to providing leniency, if not forgiveness, for heinous crimes, the FBI pays these informants tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars, creating a perverse incentive for them to ensnare dupes into terror plots. Aaronson quotes an FBI official defending this practice: "To catch the devil you have to go to hell."

    Such an analysis might make sense when police leverage one criminal to gain information about more serious criminal conspiracies—in other words, to catch a real "devil." But Aaronson's research reveals that the targets in most of these sting operations clearly pose little real threat. They may have a history of angry anti-government rhetoric, but they take no steps toward terrorist acts until they receive encouragement and resources from government agents.

    Aaronson takes pains to avoid portraying those caught in the stings as completely innocent of malice. But he demonstrates that they almost universally lack violent criminal histories or connections to real terrorist groups. Most importantly, while they may have talked about committing violent acts, they rarely had weapons of their own and lacked the financial means to acquire them. Yet the government provides them with military hardware that would cost thousands of dollars and would be extremely difficult for even sophisticated criminal organizations to obtain, only to bust them in a staged finale.

    Manufacturing Terrorists - Reason.com

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    Re: Lawyer says suspect in Oregon bomb plot was entrapped

    So the FBI duped some moron and get to claim they "prevented a terrorist attack" to justify un-Constitutional warrantless wiretapping of any American citizen, and the ability to kill anyone abroad (even legal American citizens) with unmanned drone strikes.

    9/11 brought a paradigm shift to this country that is disastrous for our freedoms.

    Speak up people.

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    Re: Lawyer says suspect in Oregon bomb plot was entrapped

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    So the FBI duped some moron and get to claim they "prevented a terrorist attack" to justify un-Constitutional warrantless wiretapping of any American citizen, and the ability to kill anyone abroad (even legal American citizens) with unmanned drone strikes.

    9/11 brought a paradigm shift to this country that is disastrous for our freedoms.

    Speak up people.
    This is no different than the "war on drugs". It is just as easy to "find" illegal drugs and then get paperwork to show "probable cause" for that find. The "war on terror" is modeled after those same principles, guilt presumed by association. The scarier the crime the more lenient that the law eneforcement to deal it is made. The big problem now with gang/drug crime, the lack of witnesses, is what is behind "gun control". Once you make the thing (gun or drug) into the crime then witnesses are no longer needed - simply find the bad thing and lock up the "criminal" for having it, inventing "probabale cause" excuses is simply a formality then.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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