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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Apparently you missed my point and thus found an opportunity to question my competence. Surely my presence here must have indicated my familiarity with computers.
    1) Your apparent ability to use an internet browser for a message board does not guarantee ability, or more importantly, inclination to use a calculator or tax preparation software. Oh sure it could seem nonsensical that you would choose not to use the same browser to avail yourself of one of the free online tax filing tools. But not only can I conceive of a reason why you would not (trusting a website/internet with your SSN) but I have learned that nonsensical is something that one runs into on occasion when dealing with people.
    2) I meant it as the royal “you”, as there really is not a problem with having any given number of non-zero digits in the income band boundaries (they likely are avoiding round-offs having 0 zeros, though). I apologize for not being clear about that and for the implied slight.
    3) I got the point and found it entirely lacking. How often do you actually need to know the income bands to that precision? I would guess no other time than you happened to be set down and doing the calculation of the tax owed, and I submit that the number of times is ZERO for people that use any one of the number of cheap/free software tools or just send it off to an accountant (who most certainly will not be hand calculating it) because it is a bit more complicated due to rules that have absolutely nothing to do with that chart.

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Yes, it was a terrible illustration of my objective and you did a good job of pointing that out.

    I was trying to illustrate complexity but I failed. Maybe the tax code is much simpler and more logical than I imagined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    1) Your apparent ability to use an internet browser for a message board does not guarantee ability, or more importantly, inclination to use a calculator or tax preparation software. Oh sure it could seem nonsensical that you would choose not to use the same browser to avail yourself of one of the free online tax filing tools. But not only can I conceive of a reason why you would not (trusting a website/internet with your SSN) but I have learned that nonsensical is something that one runs into on occasion when dealing with people.
    2) I meant it as the royal “you”, as there really is not a problem with having any given number of non-zero digits in the income band boundaries (they likely are avoiding round-offs having 0 zeros, though). I apologize for not being clear about that and for the implied slight.
    3) I got the point and found it entirely lacking. How often do you actually need to know the income bands to that precision? I would guess no other time than you happened to be set down and doing the calculation of the tax owed, and I submit that the number of times is ZERO for people that use any one of the number of cheap/free software tools or just send it off to an accountant (who most certainly will not be hand calculating it) because it is a bit more complicated due to rules that have absolutely nothing to do with that chart.

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, it was a terrible illustration of my objective and you did a good job of pointing that out.

    I was trying to illustrate complexity but I failed. Maybe the tax code is much simpler and more logical than I imagined.
    I think you just picked a bad example.

    Ironically picking and trying to explain a good is very hard…in no small part because you are, overall IMO, right.

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As has been explained to you, we do not need to spend as much as the rest of the world combined for defense. When we have so much debt from wars of choice and 30 years of excessive military spending, it has gotten to the point where we will have to cut back on investing in our own infrastructure and people, it has grown way out of hand.

    The $2 trillion dollar war in Iraq on behalf of big oil was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as losing public support for wars of choice where there was no threat to our defenses.
    Explained to me? Sorry...you haven't explained anything. You've only expressed your opinion (we should only spend as much as any other country) as have I (we should spend what is necessary to accomplish our interests in accordance to the Constitution).

    Now...if you want to talk about whether we should have gotten into one war or another, that's a different issue...for another thread.

    But the fact remains that defense spending is mandated in the Constitution while the bulk of spending our government engages in is not. If the country is serious about cutting government spending, we should start with what's not mandated by the Constitution.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Explained to me? Sorry...you haven't explained anything. You've only expressed your opinion (we should only spend as much as any other country) as have I (we should spend what is necessary to accomplish our interests in accordance to the Constitution).


    Sorry, the majority don't agree with your interests, nor do they think we have to live by your own personal interpretation of the Constitution.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sorry, the majority don't agree with your interests, nor do they think we have to live by your own personal interpretation of the Constitution.
    My personal interpretation of the Constitution???

    Dude...I simply read the words.

    Perhaps that's your problem, eh? You think the Constitution is something that can be "interpreted" to suit your desires?
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    My personal interpretation of the Constitution???

    Dude...I simply read the words.

    Perhaps that's your problem, eh? You think the Constitution is something that can be "interpreted" to suit your desires?

    No, unlike you, I go by the Constitution which specifies that the courts are the only body authorized for its interpretation.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, unlike you, I go by the Constitution which specifies that the courts are the only body authorized for its interpretation.
    really? it does? where does it do that?

    ...cause I can't find that part.

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    really? it does? where does it do that?

    ...cause I can't find that part.

    Its really not that hard to find, :mrgreen!

    "Article III.

    Section. 1.

    The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its really not that hard to find, :mrgreen!

    "Article III.

    Section. 1.

    The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."
    Yeah, I know that part. What I'm asking is for where it says that the courts are the only body authorized to interpret the Constitution, as you claimed.

    I'll give you a hint: the answer is "nowhere".

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