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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    I'm glad you agree with my summation of what we can expect from the Democrats, though I'm surprised you admitted you voted for the economic destruction of our nation. Cudos for your honesty.

    The 1990s seemed like economic destruction to you? No wonder you couldn't have said that without laughing!

    Anyway, we are not the rest of the world and any comparison between our defense spending and theirs is irrelevant. We DON'T determine our defense based on how much the rest of the world spends. We decide our own based on our own interests.
    For defense, you only have to spend more than the next biggest spender. If you want ventures to profit the wealthy, let them pay for it!

    I only wish you Democrats had an interest in our country's financial well being.

    There can be no financial well being as long as we continue to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military/industrial complex.

    President Eisenhower warned us of the dangers of a military/industrial complex that grows too large:

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

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    Typical conservative, put 3 million people out of work, and then start bitching about why our unemployment is so high. You know, if you are going to cut out all the busywork people have we are going to have to accept socialism and less work hours much sooner than you wish for.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    I'm glad you agree with my summation of what we can expect from the Democrats, though I'm surprised you admitted you voted for the economic destruction of our nation. Cudos for your honesty.

    Anyway, we are not the rest of the world and any comparison between our defense spending and theirs is irrelevant. We DON'T determine our defense based on how much the rest of the world spends. We decide our own based on our own interests.

    I only wish you Democrats had an interest in our country's financial well being.
    somehow, i think there is going to be some non-critical money spent on defense that can be cut:
    graph size of usa defense budget.jpg
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Considering that I've tried to get a job at the IRS, I'm gonna say "uh no" on reform.

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    somehow, i think there is going to be some non-critical money spent on defense that can be cut:
    graph size of usa defense budget.jpg
    Like I said...we base our defense money spent on OUR interests...not on how much others spend.

    Your chart is irrelevant.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The 1990s seemed like economic destruction to you? No wonder you couldn't have said that without laughing!



    For defense, you only have to spend more than the next biggest spender. If you want ventures to profit the wealthy, let them pay for it!




    There can be no financial well being as long as we continue to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military/industrial complex.

    President Eisenhower warned us of the dangers of a military/industrial complex that grows too large:

    No. We need to spend enough to enable us to manage our interests. The spending of other countries is irrelevant.

    Since Defense is mandated in our Constitution...and most other spending is not...we should prioritize our spending accordingly. Anything else is asking for an out of control, bankrupt government.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No. We need to spend enough to enable us to manage our interests. The spending of other countries is irrelevant.

    Since Defense is mandated in our Constitution...and most other spending is not...we should prioritize our spending accordingly. Anything else is asking for an out of control, bankrupt government.

    As has been explained to you, we do not need to spend as much as the rest of the world combined for defense. When we have so much debt from wars of choice and 30 years of excessive military spending, it has gotten to the point where we will have to cut back on investing in our own infrastructure and people, it has grown way out of hand.

    The $2 trillion dollar war in Iraq on behalf of big oil was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as losing public support for wars of choice where there was no threat to our defenses.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    I'm usually not too controversial but this thread contains some of the most preposterous statements I can even imagine.

    There isn't such a thing as "The Tax Code". Maybe, at one point there was, but in a most bi-partisan way there have been tens of thousands of modifications passed attached to every piece of legislation in order to reward one "special" enterprise or another. That's why those high priced CPAs can get the richest to pay the least, by knowing at least a good percentage of the end;less loopholes that our fearless leaders have created over the years. All of it is deliberately complicated so ordinary citizens will be as confused as possible.

    Lets just look at brackets.
    10% $0 to $8,700 $0 to $17,400 $0 to $8,700 $0 - $12,400
    15% $8,700 to $35,350 $17,400 to $70,700 $8,700 to $35,350 $12,400 - $47,350
    25% $35,350 to $85,650 $70,700 to $142,700 $35,350 to $71,350 $47,350 - $122,300
    28% $85,650 to $178,650 $142,700 to $217,450 $71,350 to $108,725 $122,300 - $198,050
    33% $178,650 to $388,350 $217,450 to $388,350 $108,725 to $194,175 $198,050 - $388,350
    35% $388,351+ $388,351+ $194,175+ $388,351+

    How did they come up with these figures like $36,350? Wouldn't it be more logical to have even amounts instead of $142,700? Its the same kind of con when you go to a store and they are selling something for $99.27. Its just to confuse you, not to give you a better deal than $100.

    Every one of our rulers has gotten a bunch of oscure tax breaks written into the "code" in order to get paid off by the beneficiary.

    To claim the "Republicans proposed to fix this" is just not valid. Their big proposal was to cut taxes for the dear friends, "The Wealth Creators" and nothing more than that.

    To claim the code needs to be the ****ed up mess it is to provide jobs for IRS nitwits is another magnificently ludicrous claim.

    I could rewrite the entire tax code in less than 50 pages. You'll never see that happen in our corrupt bi-partisan political system. Never.
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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    There isn't such a thing as "The Tax Code". Maybe, at one point there was, but in a most bi-partisan way there have been tens of thousands of modifications passed attached to every piece of legislation in order to reward one "special" enterprise or another. That's why those high priced CPAs can get the richest to pay the least, by knowing at least a good percentage of the end;less loopholes that our fearless leaders have created over the years. All of it is deliberately complicated so ordinary citizens will be as confused as possible.
    Yeah, it is spread out. Although the IRS does a lot of the work to drag that back together, this sprawling nature is part of the mess.

    Lets just look at brackets.
    10% $0 to $8,700 $0 to $17,400 $0 to $8,700 $0 - $12,400
    15% $8,700 to $35,350 $17,400 to $70,700 $8,700 to $35,350 $12,400 - $47,350
    25% $35,350 to $85,650 $70,700 to $142,700 $35,350 to $71,350 $47,350 - $122,300
    28% $85,650 to $178,650 $142,700 to $217,450 $71,350 to $108,725 $122,300 - $198,050
    33% $178,650 to $388,350 $217,450 to $388,350 $108,725 to $194,175 $198,050 - $388,350
    35% $388,351+ $388,351+ $194,175+ $388,351+

    How did they come up with these figures like $36,350? Wouldn't it be more logical to have even amounts instead of $142,700? Its the same kind of con when you go to a store and they are selling something for $99.27. Its just to confuse you, not to give you a better deal than $100.
    This however, I have no problem with. Part of the reason for these having more precision has to do with them being scaled over time to adjust for inflation. So any nice “round” numbers are going to go away shortly.

    Further, it does not make really a lick of difference for the bands when the calculations are performed by computer (or calculator if you are “old school”). If you are enough of a luddite that you refuse the benefit of a 4-function calculator, which cost less than a soda, I really cannot muster any sympathy for your cause. Pity, maybe. :P

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    Re: IRS Tax Advocate Calls for a Tax Code Overhaul

    Apparently you missed my point and thus found an opportunity to question my competence. Surely my presence here must have indicated my familiarity with computers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Yeah, it is spread out. Although the IRS does a lot of the work to drag that back together, this sprawling nature is part of the mess.


    This however, I have no problem with. Part of the reason for these having more precision has to do with them being scaled over time to adjust for inflation. So any nice “round” numbers are going to go away shortly.

    Further, it does not make really a lick of difference for the bands when the calculations are performed by computer (or calculator if you are “old school”). If you are enough of a luddite that you refuse the benefit of a 4-function calculator, which cost less than a soda, I really cannot muster any sympathy for your cause. Pity, maybe. :P

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