Page 26 of 28 FirstFirst ... 162425262728 LastLast
Results 251 to 260 of 280

Thread: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

  1. #251
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,435

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, I dont agree with anything you say unless you can back it up with facts, instead of guesstimations

    And a rise in employment in state govt jobs has nothing to do with either bubble or Clinton
    Ok, what's your number on this. And show us what you back it up with.

    But it counts as BS jobs.

  2. #252
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, what's your number on this. And show us what you back it up with.
    You're the one making the claim. Back it up instead of wasting your time fishing for something to disagree with
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  3. #253
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,435

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're the one making the claim. Back it up instead of wasting your time fishing for something to disagree with
    My claim is that most Clinton jobs are BS. I provided a citation and estimations for factors that you agreed were important. I also subtracted the government jobs. My data and methods are transparent. You, on the other hand, are making various claims with absolutely nothing to back them.

  4. #254
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My claim is that most Clinton jobs are BS. I provided a citation and estimations for factors that you agreed were important. I also subtracted the government jobs. My data and methods are transparent. You, on the other hand, are making various claims with absolutely nothing to back them.
    I don't remember agreeing to any of your delusional claims, and your methods are crap
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  5. #255
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,435

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't remember agreeing to any of your delusional claims, and your methods are crap
    That you continue to refuse to give a number is laughably toolish and displays your level of ignorance yet devotion.

  6. #256
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That you continue to refuse to give a number is laughably toolish and displays your level of ignorance yet devotion.
    That you continue to support delusional claims that you can't back up is laughaby foolish. That I choose not to do the same is wise.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  7. #257
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,435

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That you continue to support delusional claims that you can't back up is laughaby foolish. That I choose not to do the same is wise.
    I know you are but what am I? Wow, your pathetic debate actually went downhill. Impressive.

  8. #258
    Student
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    11-22-14 @ 02:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    206

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    You say that “The Clinton tax increases weren't large enough to have some magical massive impact on the entire economy “Better tell that to Newt, he thought differently in 1993, when he said,“ The tax increase will kill jobs and lead to a recession, and the recession will force people out of work and onto unemployment, and actually increase the deficit.“ Actually during Clinton's second term unemployment dropped from about 5% to about 4%, where’s his first term it dropped from 7.33 to 5%.

    Notice where the tax cuts are on this BLS graph? The Dot Com bubble was the years of 1997 – 2000.Check out the graph and tell me how a bubble that stetted in 1997 would have an effect on the Clinton boom. I only see about a 1% kick in the employment rate. Maybe a bit more.
    OK I stand corrected. I should not have said tech bubble or dotcom bubble I should have said tech boom. Tech did not suddenly appear in 1997, it's effects on the economy were enormous. Efficiencies were realized across the economy from retail to manufacturing. That is borne out by productivity numbers. Keep in mind I'm not claiming that tech was the single driving force behind the 90s economic performance I'm merely pointing out that trying to say the Clinton tax increases were, is wrong.
    Clinton changed the highest rate from 36% to 39.6%. If I'm not mistaken we just did pretty much the same thing. Anyone expecting a repeat of 90s growth? If not perhaps it could be because of other factors?

    In the 90s you had oil prices in the $20 range pretty much through out the entire decade. That didn't hurt. Fed spending growth was around 3%, that also didn't hurt.
    There was also a large increase in private investment in the 90s, also didn't hurt. Productivity reignited in the 90s. Trying to say all these things happened because of Clintons 93 tax increases is just silly.

  9. #259
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Clinton's presidency, economically, is defined by the greatest bubble to ever rupture in cosmic history (and the feel-good BS that went along with such).
    By whom? Also, when exactly did this bubble burst in regards to employment? You're overstating the effects of the dot com "bubble Burst" on the actual labor market by a criminal margin.

    Household Survey Employment Smoothed for Population Controls, Seasonally Adjusted,
    January 1990–December 1999 and January 2000–December 2011

    1999 134,436 134,276 134,381 134,402 134,775 134,855 134,905 135,097 135,227 135,529 135,862 136,092

    2000 136,560 136,601 136,705 137,276 136,637 136,949 136,541 136,674 136,906 137,103 137,338 137,632
    Last edited by a351; 01-16-13 at 09:11 PM.

  10. #260
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

    Edit: 2001 137,797 137,633 137,805 137,322 137,117 136,899 137,099 136,270 136,877 136,424 136,271 136,082

    http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ces_cps_trends.pdf


    Surely not the catastrophic, fire and brimstone event that some would suggest.

Page 26 of 28 FirstFirst ... 162425262728 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •