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    Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Sketching out details of the plan Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden said he would give President Barack Obama a set of recommendations by next Tuesday. The NRA, one of the pro-gun groups that met with Biden during the day, rejected the effort to limit ammunition and dug in on its opposition to an assault weapons ban, which Obama has previously said he will propose to Congress.



    "The vice president made it clear, made it explicitly clear, that the president had already made up his mind on those issues," NRA president David Keene said following the meeting. "We made it clear that we disagree

    Opposition from the well-funded and politically powerful NRA underscores the challenges that await the White House if it seeks congressional approval for limiting guns and ammunition. Obama can use his executive powers to act alone on some gun measures, but his options on the proposals opposed by the NRA are limited without Congress' cooperation. with them."White House officials said the vice president didn't expect to win over the NRA and other gun groups on those key issues. But the administration was hoping to soften their opposition in order to rally support from pro-gun lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

    Biden also talked about holes in NICS — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — when states don't relay information to the database used by dealers to check purchasers. Advocates blame Congress for not fully funding a law that provides money to help states send records to the database.

    For example, advocates say Obama could order the Justice Department to prosecute more people flagged by background checks as prohibited purchasers when they try to buy guns; expand a rule that requires dealers to notify the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives when someone tries to buy multiple semiautomatic rifles, a program now confined to Mexico border states, and increase enforcement actions at gun shows.

    The group Mayors Against Illegal Guns has sent the White House 40 steps it says would save lives and dramatically improve enforcement of existing laws without any action by Congress.

    The president hopes to announce his administration's next steps to tackle gun violence shortly after he is sworn in for a second term. He has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address.

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    Associated Press – 6 mins ago Jan 102013<<<<<More here, way more


    Looks Like Obama is going to push the issue anyways with his State of the Union. Biden admits this is not going anywhere but that is the downplay. As they are going to try and push gun legislation. Anyone notice the part about how Obama could use some EP on some measures? Thoughts?
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Here's Obama's exit strategy: "He (Obama) has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address."

    Obama is going to wail and cry because the meanies in Congress just won't do what he wants.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Here's Obama's exit strategy: "He (Obama) has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address."

    Obama is going to wail and cry because the meanies in Congress just won't do what he wants.
    I expect that's right. Four more years of this turkey...
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sketching out details of the plan Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden said he would give President Barack Obama a set of recommendations by next Tuesday. The NRA, one of the pro-gun groups that met with Biden during the day, rejected the effort to limit ammunition and dug in on its opposition to an assault weapons ban, which Obama has previously said he will propose to Congress.



    "The vice president made it clear, made it explicitly clear, that the president had already made up his mind on those issues," NRA president David Keene said following the meeting. "We made it clear that we disagree

    Opposition from the well-funded and politically powerful NRA underscores the challenges that await the White House if it seeks congressional approval for limiting guns and ammunition. Obama can use his executive powers to act alone on some gun measures, but his options on the proposals opposed by the NRA are limited without Congress' cooperation. with them."White House officials said the vice president didn't expect to win over the NRA and other gun groups on those key issues. But the administration was hoping to soften their opposition in order to rally support from pro-gun lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

    Biden also talked about holes in NICS — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — when states don't relay information to the database used by dealers to check purchasers. Advocates blame Congress for not fully funding a law that provides money to help states send records to the database.

    For example, advocates say Obama could order the Justice Department to prosecute more people flagged by background checks as prohibited purchasers when they try to buy guns; expand a rule that requires dealers to notify the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives when someone tries to buy multiple semiautomatic rifles, a program now confined to Mexico border states, and increase enforcement actions at gun shows.

    The group Mayors Against Illegal Guns has sent the White House 40 steps it says would save lives and dramatically improve enforcement of existing laws without any action by Congress.

    The president hopes to announce his administration's next steps to tackle gun violence shortly after he is sworn in for a second term. He has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address.

    Biden, NRA clash over new gun control proposals - Yahoo! News
    Associated Press – 6 mins ago Jan 102013<<<<<More here, way more


    Looks Like Obama is going to push the issue anyways with his State of the Union. Biden admits this is not going anywhere but that is the downplay. As they are going to try and push gun legislation. Anyone notice the part about how Obama could use some EP on some measures? Thoughts?
    I'm all for a push to notify ATF when a prohibited person fills out a 4473 and I have no problem with punishing such a person if they are, in fact, prohibited but another AWB and and a restriction on ammunition (both of which, it seems, Obama has decided on) is wholly unacceptable.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Here's Obama's exit strategy: "He (Obama) has pledged to push for new measures in his State of the Union address."

    Obama is going to wail and cry because the meanies in Congress just won't do what he wants.
    IMO it is all smoke screen knowing he really cant go after guns and hurting many Democrats for their upcoming elections, they would not get voted in. As he knows Republicans can agree with looking at the mental health issue and getting the guns out of the criminals hands as they say. But then at the same time Obama picks Hagel as SOD which cause flak amongst Republicans within their own ranks. Then he Nominates Lew as Treasury Sec. Knowing Lew doesn't negotiate with Republicans and that the GOP will certainly be in an uproar.

    Obama knows Lew is a D.C. insider and has been since Clinton years. Always in Washington working for some Democrat somewhere. So more controversy for the MS.Media to pick up on.. Obama knows how to play divisions. This was his specialty as a Community organizer and Activist. All of this is done to avoid the real issue. The Economy and that what Obama is doing isn't working. It is real simple.....The US Cannot Spend More Than what we are bringing in.

    Even the Independent Gun Peeps asked Biden.....was there No Wiggle Room. Due to the tone and stance that Biden used. I would be more concerned about what those EP measures are that Obama can take without Congressional Approval.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm all for a push to notify ATF when a prohibited person fills out a 4473 and I have no problem with punishing such a person if they are, in fact, prohibited but another AWB and and a restriction on ammunition (both of which, it seems, Obama has decided on) is wholly unacceptable.
    Biden also talked about holes in NICS — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — when states don't relay information to the database used by dealers to check purchasers. Advocates blame Congress for not fully funding a law that provides money to help states send records to the database.....snip


    What solution do you see for this issue with the states? Why would the Fed need a National Registry for those who owned weapons?

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Biden also talked about holes in NICS — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — when states don't relay information to the database used by dealers to check purchasers. Advocates blame Congress for not fully funding a law that provides money to help states send records to the database.....snip


    What solution do you see for this issue with the states? Why would the Fed need a National Registry for those who owned weapons?
    NICS isn't a national registry. It's an FBI check of criminal violations for the individual and it's not supposed to be recorded. As far as states submitting information to NICS I believe what they are talking about is mental health services are not regularly sending information in to the system with regard to someone who has been found to be a likely danger to themselves or to others.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    NICS isn't a national registry. It's an FBI check of criminal violations for the individual and it's not supposed to be recorded. As far as states submitting information to NICS I believe what they are talking about is mental health services are not regularly sending information in to the system with regard to someone who has been found to be a likely danger to themselves or to others.
    Well I think they want money since the states don't relay information to dealers in order to check purchases. But then Why should they even be seeking money from the Fed. That is their own state and they should be able to send out info to any gun dealers within their own state.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well I think they want money since the states don't relay information to dealers in order to check purchases. But then Why should they even be seeking money from the Fed. That is their own state and they should be able to send out info to any gun dealers within their own state.
    I'm not sure what you're getting at.

    NICS isn't a State level operation. The reason they want more money is to beef up the availability of the service. A NICS check shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes but I have heard all kinds of stories about the system getting overwhelmed in the past few years when everybody and their uncle decides to go to the local gun store at the same time.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm not sure what you're getting at.

    NICS isn't a State level operation. The reason they want more money is to beef up the availability of the service. A NICS check shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes but I have heard all kinds of stories about the system getting overwhelmed in the past few years when everybody and their uncle decides to go to the local gun store at the same time.
    This is going off a bit fuzzy memory, but IIRC there are legal requirements for how long that response take before the check must be waived in favor of the purchaser. Which makes uptime a lot more important.

    Also, if turn-around time is greatly lowered and system availability is improved it could allow removing the “gun show” exemption without actual impact on [otherwise legitimate] sales, providing that the booth operator employs appropriate tech whose cost has been dropping.

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