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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    I expect that's right. Four more years of this turkey...
    And then comes Hillary. You know this right?

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    We don't know yet the degree to which the government is using the press to manipulate the people. Hell, most of America isn't aware it was the victim of weapons grade propaganda during the run up to Iraq. Books have been written about, college classes are taught about it, papers have been written about, statistics and research and all of that is available, but most people still don't know. You don't know if what is being done is illegal or not. What we do know is that even if it is no one in government is going to jail for it. It will soon be legal anyway. Washington, both parties, want it to be legal to use propaganda on Americans. Why not use it to influence the masses and take guns away?



    I'm not certain I understand your point or why it might be relevant.



    It wasn't all that effective and has long since been replaced by more sophisticated methods.



    The media was favorable to Bush until well after the nation became involved in a political/humanitarian/international disaster in Iraq. It was the media who sold Bush's war, if you remember. Bush could never have invaded Iraq without the media creating a groundswell of patriot fever for invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

    That power now belongs to the Obama administration, only this administration having gone to school on success of the Bush administration will fine tune it and improved as will the president who one replaces Obama. Americans will continue to be duped until the nation figures it out. I don't have a great deal of hope for that happening.



    We live in the Age of Information and one hell of a lot of people are completely clueless as to what that means. Common sense is rare in a nation that argues over whether Fox is more biased than CNN. They've already accepted the fact that one or the other or another must be a valid news source. How about none? Television news isn't really news. It's spoon fed, easily digested, tiny bits of information that has very little value. People, however, can't or refuse to consider that and they keep on watching - and believing. Nothing is more ripe for abuse and manipulation!

    It would seem that the public is being whipped into a frenzy but the media, media which is largely a sock puppet of the presiding administration. It's not subliminal (that's old school), it's much more complex than that. The point is it works and works well. Would the current administration use it to influence public opinion, suppress rational public consideration of facts to achieve its goal? Oh, hell yes. Every administration would and will. There's a reason it has been against the law since 1948.

    Is happening now under the current administration regarding gun control? I suspect it, yes. No one has proven it at this point. We do know that the growing public hysteria does not match the perceived risks. Why the public hysteria? It is being ratcheted up by the media. If the White House really wants to try this issue in the press - and I think it may - the only defense citizens have are rational thinking and a healthy disregard for everything the see and hear. Guess what? America is no longer capable of doing that.
    Once again about Bush.....Who gives a shiznit about Bush. This aint Bush talking the talk now. It's Obama and his People talking the talk. But not walking that walk. Which half of them aren't even qualified to be in the positions they are. Course there are a lont in Washington that are not qualified to be there either. But that's par for the course. Point is with Team Obama there is even more options as why they are woefully inadequate. You say why not influence Americans and the masses to take away their guns. Did you want to apply the same over Benghazi and the Obama Screw-ups? Course there was that whole Libyan fiasco and Obama going with the EP. Did you want to apply all the same golden rules for Boy Blunder?

    Exactly if they can use the media so well and manipulate them. This is due to being in bed with the Politicians so to speak. We can prove it is is happening now tho. As all one need due is look how they are up on any shootings Right now, and bringing it to the National Level. Even tho it may not even be National news. Since Sandy Hook look at all the pieces news and Op Eds all over the Gun Issue. Which you are Right they ratcheted things up alright. Now don't you think they should have to feel the Bite from the American people. Putting them on Display over all they have said concerning such an issue?

    The relevancy comes with 3 days of Propaganda.....on which Editors that happen to keep the same stories going for whichever news outlet they are with. It does become a lil redundant when several of them all keep the same issue going.....huh? What the rest of the news out in the big bad world stopped all of sudden.

    See all it takes is the American people to go after the media personalities that like to put all the garbage up into the Mix. Once those in the World of Media Understand the American people are tired of them Lying to us and not asking the Right Questions and some misfortune starts to fall their way. Bad luck, bad karma entailing from everything from harassment to actual physical harm. Do you think the Media Celebs will then finally get the picture?

    Do you think that after a few of those Pundits and so called reporters get their heads busted open with Bricks.....(which is what should be used.) Do you think then the MS media will want a full frontal attack on Bricks then? Cycle it thru weeks and all their 3 day lil events?

    See when they are all done talking their BS and lying about the issue. Do you think they still will want to report about how Violence has gone down in this Country? Will they want to bring up the fact that Suicide accounts for 2/3rds of all gun related deaths? Can the Democrats figure that one out with their play on the safety issue? Do you think the Demos can come up with a way to stop people from killing themselves?

    Are you sure that American people can't turn back the dumb questions that the Press asks over and over to avoid asking real questions of this President?



    Just look what with Cuomo out of New York did yesterday. Did anyone here get the OP up on what he did?

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

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    And then comes Hillary. You know this right?
    Not after the piss poor job she has done as the SOS.....Do you actually think after Benghazi that she will be able run around smiling telling the American people about How much she cares?

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    NRA Slams Biden Meeting.....



    The NRA met with Vice President Biden and the gun violence task force today as part of a series of meetings with key stakeholders in the gun debate. The NRA’s statement about the meeting confirms that that White House was never interested in having an honest, inclusive debate about how to prevent tragedies like Newtown from happening again, but rather, is focused on its “agenda to attack the Second Amendment.”

    Fairfax, Va.– The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

    "We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.".....

    The vice president is to submit the task force’s recommendations to President Obama by Tuesday. Biden revealed on Thursday that “an emerging set of recommendations” includes restricting high-capacity magazines and having universal background checks, which would not only close the "gun show loophole" but would also require background checks for all transactions, including private sales.

    After yesterday’s meeting with victims of gun violence, Biden said that “the president is going to act,” even if that means using executive orders.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm all for a push to notify ATF when a prohibited person fills out a 4473 and I have no problem with punishing such a person if they are, in fact, prohibited but another AWB and and a restriction on ammunition (both of which, it seems, Obama has decided on) is wholly unacceptable.
    "a prohibited person" What is that? And do they buy their guns at Wally World? I think not.
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    NRA Slams Biden Meeting.....



    The NRA met with Vice President Biden and the gun violence task force today as part of a series of meetings with key stakeholders in the gun debate. The NRA’s statement about the meeting confirms that that White House was never interested in having an honest, inclusive debate about how to prevent tragedies like Newtown from happening again, but rather, is focused on its “agenda to attack the Second Amendment.”

    Fairfax, Va.– The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

    "We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.".....

    The vice president is to submit the task force’s recommendations to President Obama by Tuesday. Biden revealed on Thursday that “an emerging set of recommendations” includes restricting high-capacity magazines and having universal background checks, which would not only close the "gun show loophole" but would also require background checks for all transactions, including private sales.

    After yesterday’s meeting with victims of gun violence, Biden said that “the president is going to act,” even if that means using executive orders.
    All they can really focus on is honest hardworking taxpaying Americans. Which those who do things like shoot up schools and theaters are not. Those people already do not subject themselves to the rule of law and they never will. So everything Biden does or thinks he can do is completely moot. Just like him as a government official and person. They have no leverage to deal with those people and nothing they do aimed at the cohort you just spoke of will change gun violence in this country. It will only hurt those of us who are responsible gun owners. I live so far away from help that I couldn't sleep at night without my gun. But one day, I may have to try if this crap keeps up.
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    "a prohibited person" What is that? And do they buy their guns at Wally World? I think not.

    When I use the term "prohibited person" I am referring to 18 USC subsection 922(d) -
    (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
    (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
    (2) is a fugitive from justice;
    (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
    (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
    (5) who, being an alien—
    (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
    (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
    (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
    (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
    (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
    (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
    (B)
    (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
    (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
    (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
    This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) ofsection 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) ofsection 925 of this chapter.
    I'll grant you that most felons know that they are felons and are prohibited from purchasing firearms but I contend that if one is stupid enough to fill out a 4473 to purchase a firearm and gets dinged that he or she should be prosecuted.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    All they can really focus on is honest hardworking taxpaying Americans. Which those who do things like shoot up schools and theaters are not. Those people already do not subject themselves to the rule of law and they never will. So everything Biden does or thinks he can do is completely moot. Just like him as a government official and person. They have no leverage to deal with those people and nothing they do aimed at the cohort you just spoke of will change gun violence in this country. It will only hurt those of us who are responsible gun owners. I live so far away from help that I couldn't sleep at night without my gun. But one day, I may have to try if this crap keeps up.
    Guess Biden didn't care to much for these Stats.....




    (Reuters) - The number of FBI background checks required for Americans buying guns set a record in December, indicating that more people may purchase one after the Connecticut school massacre stirred interest in self-defense and prompted renewed talk of limits on firearms, according to FBI data.

    The FBI said it recorded 2.78 million background checks during the month, surpassing the mark set in November of 2.01 million checks - about a 39 percent rise.

    The latest monthly figure was up 49 percent over December 2011, when the FBI performed a then-record 1.86 million checks.

    Consumer demand for guns appears to have accounted for the uptick in activity. There were no changes in FBI background check procedures that would have affected the December numbers, FBI spokesman Stephen Fischer said.

    FBI checks for all of 2012 totaled 19.6 million, an annual record and an increase of 19 percent over 2011.

    Even as gun purchases rise, the share of U.S. households with a gun has been falling for decades, from 54 percent in 1977 to 32 percent in 2010, according to the University of Chicago's General Social Survey.....snip~

    Gun checks soar 39 percent, set new record: FBI | Reuters

    Do you think Biden and crew want to talk about these issues seriously?

    Gun checks soar 39 percent, set new record: FBI.....

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Once again about Bush.....Who gives a shiznit about Bush. This aint Bush talking the talk now. It's Obama and his People talking the talk. But not walking that walk. Which half of them aren't even qualified to be in the positions they are. Course there are a lont in Washington that are not qualified to be there either. But that's par for the course. Point is with Team Obama there is even more options as why they are woefully inadequate. You say why not influence Americans and the masses to take away their guns. Did you want to apply the same over Benghazi and the Obama Screw-ups? Course there was that whole Libyan fiasco and Obama going with the EP. Did you want to apply all the same golden rules for Boy Blunder?

    Exactly if they can use the media so well and manipulate them. This is due to being in bed with the Politicians so to speak. We can prove it is is happening now tho. As all one need due is look how they are up on any shootings Right now, and bringing it to the National Level. Even tho it may not even be National news. Since Sandy Hook look at all the pieces news and Op Eds all over the Gun Issue. Which you are Right they ratcheted things up alright. Now don't you think they should have to feel the Bite from the American people. Putting them on Display over all they have said concerning such an issue?

    The relevancy comes with 3 days of Propaganda.....on which Editors that happen to keep the same stories going for whichever news outlet they are with. It does become a lil redundant when several of them all keep the same issue going.....huh? What the rest of the news out in the big bad world stopped all of sudden.

    See all it takes is the American people to go after the media personalities that like to put all the garbage up into the Mix. Once those in the World of Media Understand the American people are tired of them Lying to us and not asking the Right Questions and some misfortune starts to fall their way. Bad luck, bad karma entailing from everything from harassment to actual physical harm. Do you think the Media Celebs will then finally get the picture?

    Do you think that after a few of those Pundits and so called reporters get their heads busted open with Bricks.....(which is what should be used.) Do you think then the MS media will want a full frontal attack on Bricks then? Cycle it thru weeks and all their 3 day lil events?

    See when they are all done talking their BS and lying about the issue. Do you think they still will want to report about how Violence has gone down in this Country? Will they want to bring up the fact that Suicide accounts for 2/3rds of all gun related deaths? Can the Democrats figure that one out with their play on the safety issue? Do you think the Demos can come up with a way to stop people from killing themselves?

    Are you sure that American people can't turn back the dumb questions that the Press asks over and over to avoid asking real questions of this President?



    Just look what with Cuomo out of New York did yesterday. Did anyone here get the OP up on what he did?

    Never mind.










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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Never mind.
    Yeah.....I kinda thought so to.

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