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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    This is going off a bit fuzzy memory, but IIRC there are legal requirements for how long that response take before the check must be waived in favor of the purchaser. Which makes uptime a lot more important.

    Also, if turn-around time is greatly lowered and system availability is improved it could allow removing the “gun show” exemption without actual impact on [otherwise legitimate] sales, providing that the booth operator employs appropriate tech whose cost has been dropping.
    I had to check to be sure but it's 3 days.

    I really don't think that NICS should be available to the public. There is just too much room for abuse. Imagine calling up just to see if the person you're dating is a psycho or something.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I had to check to be sure but it's 3 days.

    I really don't think that NICS should be available to the public. There is just too much room for abuse. Imagine calling up just to see if the person you're dating is a psycho or something.
    I did not mean to turn it into a completely open, public hotline. As you say there are important privacy concerns. What I mean to get these guys with $100K merchandise on display to stop pretending they are not established, “pro” retailers. I understand at least some of the rationale behind the gun show exemption, and am sympathetic to allowing commerce to occur. But there has to be a better compromise.
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    What makes it interesting is the constitutional power of the VP is only as backup prez and casting a tie breaking vote if that happens. Otherwise, he's exactly nobody with less power than our local elected mesquito control officer.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I had to check to be sure but it's 3 days.

    I really don't think that NICS should be available to the public. There is just too much room for abuse. Imagine calling up just to see if the person you're dating is a psycho or something.
    It depends which state.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What makes it interesting is the constitutional power of the VP is only as backup prez and casting a tie breaking vote if that happens. Otherwise, he's exactly nobody with less power than our local elected mesquito control officer.
    The Constitution power of the VP is exactly equal to how good he is at convincing the President, plus the tie-breaker [that hardly comes up in these times of procedural filibuster].

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    IMO it is all smoke screen knowing he really cant go after guns and hurting many Democrats for their upcoming elections, they would not get voted in. As he knows Republicans can agree with looking at the mental health issue and getting the guns out of the criminals hands as they say. But then at the same time Obama picks Hagel as SOD which cause flak amongst Republicans within their own ranks. Then he Nominates Lew as Treasury Sec. Knowing Lew doesn't negotiate with Republicans and that the GOP will certainly be in an uproar.

    Obama knows Lew is a D.C. insider and has been since Clinton years. Always in Washington working for some Democrat somewhere. So more controversy for the MS.Media to pick up on.. Obama knows how to play divisions. This was his specialty as a Community organizer and Activist. All of this is done to avoid the real issue. The Economy and that what Obama is doing isn't working. It is real simple.....The US Cannot Spend More Than what we are bringing in.

    Even the Independent Gun Peeps asked Biden.....was there No Wiggle Room. Due to the tone and stance that Biden used. I would be more concerned about what those EP measures are that Obama can take without Congressional Approval.
    The Bush White House was most adept at using weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the United States to gain public approval to needless invade Iraq and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and commit the American taxpayer to fund astronomical expenditures. It could not have happened if the public had not been duped by mass media and bought the lies hook, line, and sinker. The Bush White House was absolutely masterful at doing that. Goebbels would have been in awe. I'm serious.

    Once that genie was out of the bottle and played so well there was no chance in hell the presidents succeeding Bush, no matter whom they were and whom they will be, would/will not study it, improve it and use even better each administration.

    If the Bush White House could, via a very well conducted propaganda campaign, manipulate the American people to support the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Obama White House can certainly use an well planned propaganda campaign to manipulate a significant number of Americans to support (what will later prove to be incremental) gun control measures. I have no doubt whatsoever.

    FYI, it is against the law for the federal government to use propaganda on the people of the United States. Or is has been. Mainstream media which has long been Washington's sock puppet (non-partisan in that regard) has failed to ring the bell on this one, but as of the last time I check The National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 will negate the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 which prohibits the federal government from using propaganda on US citizens.

    That's strong stuff. Why the hell would Washington want authorize the use of government propaganda on Americans? I can't think of any good reasons, unless you were all orgasmic over the invasion of Iraq. Washington is very capable of doing the same with gun control or damn near any other measure requiring public support. Don't be surprised.










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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    And none of Biden's proposals would have prevented the two mass killings of the past year. The Obama administration is attempting to infringe on the Bill of Rights as most people expected would happen if he was reelected. What part of "shall not be infringed" do they not understand?
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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The Bush White House was most adept at using weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the United States to gain public approval to needless invade Iraq and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and commit the American taxpayer to fund astronomical expenditures. It could not have happened if the public had not been duped by mass media and bought the lies hook, line, and sinker. The Bush White House was absolutely masterful at doing that. Goebbels would have been in awe. I'm serious.

    Once that genie was out of the bottle and played so well there was no chance in hell the presidents succeeding Bush, no matter whom they were and whom they will be, would/will not study it, improve it and use even better each administration.

    If the Bush White House could, via a very well conducted propaganda campaign, manipulate the American people to support the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Obama White House can certainly use an well planned propaganda campaign to manipulate a significant number of Americans to support (what will later prove to be incremental) gun control measures. I have no doubt whatsoever.

    FYI, it is against the law for the federal government to use propaganda on the people of the United States. Or is has been. Mainstream media which has long been Washington's sock puppet (non-partisan in that regard) has failed to ring the bell on this one, but as of the last time I check The National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 will negate the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 which prohibits the federal government from using propaganda on US citizens.

    That's strong stuff. Why the hell would Washington want authorize the use of government propaganda on Americans? I can't think of any good reasons, unless you were all orgasmic over the invasion of Iraq. Washington is very capable of doing the same with gun control or damn near any other measure requiring public support. Don't be surprised.
    Well since it is not Bush's Watch and it is Obama's......that's where it is at. So that's where one has to start looking from. As there is nothing that is illegal in the political strategy that has been put into play. Not unless someone could prove so anyways.

    Moreover you can't deny that the MS media cycles thru certain news pieces within a 3 day period.

    Yeah and subliminal messaging use to be illegal too. We saw how long that lasted even tho the law has been in place for how long now?

    What did you think that due to Obama being President that such should be swept aside and there should be no concern? Especially when there is favorable media bias in favor for him.

    What now that this guy is a President.....so all things common sense should be swept aside cuz he has thought about it or something?

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    And none of Biden's proposals would have prevented the two mass killings of the past year. The Obama administration is attempting to infringe on the Bill of Rights as most people expected would happen if he was reelected. What part of "shall not be infringed" do they not understand?
    Which is the first argument that comes out of Bidens mouth. Which was.....It has to be for the Safety of our Children. Then what he told Obama he would do. So what he told Obama he would hold talks and try to come up with answers. Doesn't mean he will have any answers.

    Same thing all the other mouthpieces of the Democrats are stating too. Which when they state so.....they seem to want to imply that the GOP is not concerned for the Safety of children. Which is hardly the case. But perhaps that is why they think they can put the GOP on the defensive over the issue. To see what the GOP would come up with. Not that the Left want such. As we know what they want and that's the ban as much gun legislation that they can get.

    Several talk conservative talk radio shows are all up on the issue having people sign petitions just so that the White House knows where they stand should they go after the 2nd. To many Democrats are sitting on the Fence with their elections. To have a concentrated effort by gun owners to oust them out thru the vote could happen easily.

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    Re: Biden, NRA Clash over New Gun Control Proposals......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well since it is not Bush's Watch and it is Obama's......that's where it is at. So that's where one has to start looking from. As there is nothing that is illegal in the political strategy that has been put into play. Not unless someone could prove so anyways.
    We don't know yet the degree to which the government is using the press to manipulate the people. Hell, most of America isn't aware it was the victim of weapons grade propaganda during the run up to Iraq. Books have been written about, college classes are taught about it, papers have been written about, statistics and research and all of that is available, but most people still don't know. You don't know if what is being done is illegal or not. What we do know is that even if it is no one in government is going to jail for it. It will soon be legal anyway. Washington, both parties, want it to be legal to use propaganda on Americans. Why not use it to influence the masses and take guns away?

    Moreover you can't deny that the MS media cycles thru certain news pieces within a 3 day period.
    I'm not certain I understand your point or why it might be relevant.

    Yeah and subliminal messaging use to be illegal too. We saw how long that lasted even tho the law has been in place for how long now?
    It wasn't all that effective and has long since been replaced by more sophisticated methods.

    What did you think that due to Obama being President that such should be swept aside and there should be no concern? Especially when there is favorable media bias in favor for him.
    The media was favorable to Bush until well after the nation became involved in a political/humanitarian/international disaster in Iraq. It was the media who sold Bush's war, if you remember. Bush could never have invaded Iraq without the media creating a groundswell of patriot fever for invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

    That power now belongs to the Obama administration, only this administration having gone to school on success of the Bush administration will fine tune it and improved as will the president who one replaces Obama. Americans will continue to be duped until the nation figures it out. I don't have a great deal of hope for that happening.

    What now that this guy is a President.....so all things common sense should be swept aside cuz he has thought about it or something?
    We live in the Age of Information and one hell of a lot of people are completely clueless as to what that means. Common sense is rare in a nation that argues over whether Fox is more biased than CNN. They've already accepted the fact that one or the other or another must be a valid news source. How about none? Television news isn't really news. It's spoon fed, easily digested, tiny bits of information that has very little value. People, however, can't or refuse to consider that and they keep on watching - and believing. Nothing is more ripe for abuse and manipulation!

    It would seem that the public is being whipped into a frenzy but the media, media which is largely a sock puppet of the presiding administration. It's not subliminal (that's old school), it's much more complex than that. The point is it works and works well. Would the current administration use it to influence public opinion, suppress rational public consideration of facts to achieve its goal? Oh, hell yes. Every administration would and will. There's a reason it has been against the law since 1948.

    Is happening now under the current administration regarding gun control? I suspect it, yes. No one has proven it at this point. We do know that the growing public hysteria does not match the perceived risks. Why the public hysteria? It is being ratcheted up by the media. If the White House really wants to try this issue in the press - and I think it may - the only defense citizens have are rational thinking and a healthy disregard for everything the see and hear. Guess what? America is no longer capable of doing that.










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