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    NZ tops global human freedom list

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    NZ tops global human freedom list

    New Zealand leads the way in human freedom according to an international index that ranks 123 countries.

    The Canadian Fraser Institute has released its report evaluating how each country measures in security and safety, movement, expression and relationship freedoms.

    New Zealand topped the index as offering the highest level of human freedom worldwide, followed by the Netherlands and Hong Kong.

    Australia came in fourth. The US ranked seventh.
    Interesting that Hong Kong was ranked ahead of the US.

    For those not familiar with the Fraser Institute, here's a link and here's the Wiki explanation

    The Top Ten Freest Nations as of 2012
    1. New Zealand

    2. Netherlands

    3. Hong Kong

    4. Australia

    4. Canada

    4. Ireland

    7. United States of America

    7. Denmark

    9. Japan

    9. Estonia
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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    I would seriously debate Australia's ranking, with some of the intense censorship issues they've got going on. They still also have a lot of sexism issues, and while that may not be legally visible, I think it's disingenuous to discount social limitations of freedom.

    Based on that, I'd seriously debate New Zealand as well. I lived there for quite a while. They have some of the most intense racial problems I've seen in the West, matched only by the American south, France, and northern England, in my opinion. In some of the smaller towns, they've still got race riots. Even in the cities, I saw people make openly racist statements. Even workers towards their own patrons.

    New Zealand is also a pretty horrible place to be as an immigrant. They really scam the hell out of you. It's practically robbery, what they do. And I think that needs to be taken into consideration as well, because immigrants are as much a part of the economy and the culture as anyone else.

    It would be one thing if they were just honest and said they don't want immigrants. But that's not what they do. They ENCOURAGE immigration, and then abuse the people who come.

    If you're a born citizen and you're white, Maori, or some other islander, things aren't so bad. Legally, for born citizens, New Zealand is very free.

    But if you're Asian, life is hell. If you're an immigrant (even if you're a citizen) life is pretty tough socially, and if you're a non-citizen, it's borderline unbearable.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Idiotic list. Hong Kong is a freaking dictatorship.
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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic list. Hong Kong is a freaking dictatorship.
    You did read the Wiki article on the Fraser Institute, didn't you? I believe the phrase "right-libertarian" was in there. Most Canadians think of the Fraser Institute as a shill for corporate interests, particularly the petroleum industry, so their definition of 'freedom' for some reason includes that whole "corporations are people" meme.
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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic list. Hong Kong is a freaking dictatorship.
    While still "ruled" by the PRC government, Hong Kong is unique and designated as special administrative zone. Under this designation, they nearly have full autonomy to govern themselves. This includes laws, enforcement and even judiciary.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You did read the Wiki article on the Fraser Institute, didn't you? I believe the phrase "right-libertarian" was in there. Most Canadians think of the Fraser Institute as a shill for corporate interests, particularly the petroleum industry, so their definition of 'freedom' for some reason includes that whole "corporations are people" meme.
    Do you have any evidence to this claim regarding what "most Canadians think"?

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You did read the Wiki article on the Fraser Institute, didn't you? I believe the phrase "right-libertarian" was in there. Most Canadians think of the Fraser Institute as a shill for corporate interests, particularly the petroleum industry, so their definition of 'freedom' for some reason includes that whole "corporations are people" meme.
    They focus on something that in their mind is “economic freedom”, which really about which government is giving out the best deal for the economic upperclass. Some people would use the term corporatists I guess? It is not so much petroleum industry, as resource industry in general because that represents a sizable chunk of the big money movers and shakers in Canada. One of its founders was an executive at the biggest forestry company in the country at the time.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    New Zealand is also a pretty horrible place to be as an immigrant. They really scam the hell out of you. It's practically robbery, what they do. And I think that needs to be taken into consideration as well, because immigrants are as much a part of the economy and the culture as anyone else.

    But if you're Asian, life is hell. If you're an immigrant (even if you're a citizen) life is pretty tough socially, and if you're a non-citizen, it's borderline unbearable.
    No it isn't. I am a non-citizen living in New Zealand, except for the time being I am in China. Life is not tough, it's easy. Also, none of the asians I know have any problems.

    And I never got scammed. No one has even tried scamming me in New Zealand. Scamming is way worse in China, and even there it doesn't matter. The worst I got scammed over here is $2 from a taxi driver. He drove wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic list. Hong Kong is a freaking dictatorship.
    If Hong Kong is a dictatorship, then so is the EU. In both places you can vote, in both places your vote means pretty much nothing.
    Last edited by Camlon; 01-11-13 at 04:13 AM.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    If Hong Kong is a dictatorship, then so is the EU. In both places you can vote, in both places your vote means pretty much nothing.
    Horse****. Your ignorance on how the EU works shows again.

    Hong Kong has its leader appointed by dictators in Beijing. The EU "leader" is appointed too, but by democratically elected officials from the 27 member nations. On top of that, the Parliament of the EU is elected and has considerable powers over legislation in the EU.

    Calling Hong Kong "free" is an insult to the other countries on the list who actually have free and open elections. Why not put Singapore up there? Oh yea, same situation as Hong Kong..
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    NZ tops global human freedom list

    Ireland fourth...whu?

    God the rest of the world must be in pretty bad straits.

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