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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    No it isn't. I am a non-citizen living in New Zealand, except for the time being I am in China. Life is not tough, it's easy. Also, none of the asians I know have any problems.

    And I never got scammed. No one has even tried scamming me in New Zealand. Scamming is way worse in China, and even there it doesn't matter. The worst I got scammed over here is $2 from a taxi driver. He drove wrong way.
    Well, I guess at some point I was bound to run into someone. You're literally the first person I've ever even heard of who hasn't had a bad experience immigrating to NZ. Even people I know who like it there and want to stay permanently have had nothing positive to say about that aspect of it. I certainly don't.

    Are you familiar with the culture in a lot of the countries these Asians are coming from? Of course they don't say anything about it. But I've seen enough really over-the-top examples that no amount of silence from them can convince me it just "isn't happening." I also wonder where you're staying. The only place I can think of where you might not experience it is possibly Auckland, the biggest and thus most culturally generic city in NZ. But even her next biggest sibling, Wellington, is pretty bad for it in my experience.
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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    It's disingenuous to refer to this index as the global human freedom index when it is called the economic freedom index by the institute itself. What it measures is the freedom of corporations to do as they please which is hardly surprising considering the neo-liberal slant of this think tank. It's quite obvious from the countries that are positioned in the top ten that actual human freedom isn't a consideration in establishing this index. Anyone observing the world not suffering from oxygen deprivation due to having their head in the clouds of economical ideology will have noticed by now that corporate freedom is antithetical to individual freedom more often than not.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    When you read studies like the OP, you're supposed to pretend not to know that there isn't a country on the list that would be free at all without the power and might of the United States.

    Little facts like that infuriate the America hating loons because it doesn't fit in with their agenda of constantly blaming the United States, i.e. White People, for all of the world's problems.

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    NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    When you read studies like the OP, you're supposed to pretend not to know that there isn't a country on the list that would be free at all without the power and might of the United States.

    Little facts like that infuriate the America hating loons because it doesn't fit in with their agenda of constantly blaming the United States, i.e. White People, for all of the world's problems.
    NZ, Australia, Canada and Ireland.

    But you're great anyway America, land of the free and home of the white people!

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    NZ, Australia, Canada and Ireland.

    But you're great anyway America, land of the free and home of the white people!
    Actually the countries you mentioned are more White than the United States.

    And although there were groups of Irish fighting alongside the Nazis, Americans saved their sorry asses anyway.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually the countries you mentioned are more White than the United States.

    And although there were groups of Irish fighting alongside the Nazis, Americans saved their sorry asses anyway.
    No **** Grant. Ray brought up white people (which you "Liked").

    And no, America didn't save Ireland. Did they save Canada?

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    No **** Grant. Ray brought up white people (which you "Liked").

    And no, America didn't save Ireland. Did they save Canada?
    I liked that the Americans have saved much of the world at various times and yet get little credit for it.

    And of course had the Nazis not been defeated, largely with the help of the Americans, the Irish would have had greater problems that just religion and borders. And of course the IRA were on the side of the Nazis..

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I liked that the Americans have saved much of the world at various times and yet get little credit for it.

    And of course had the Nazis not been defeated, largely with the help of the Americans, the Irish would have had greater problems that just religion and borders. And of course the IRA were on the side of the Nazis..
    Good thing they don't synomise their country with "white people", as much as you'd "like" they would.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Good thing they don't synomise their country with "white people", as much as you'd "like" they would.
    Maybe you should try again.

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    Re: NZ tops global human freedom list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    When you read studies like the OP, you're supposed to pretend not to know that there isn't a country on the list that would be free at all without the power and might of the United States.

    Little facts like that infuriate the America hating loons because it doesn't fit in with their agenda of constantly blaming the United States, i.e. White People, for all of the world's problems.

    I can see that you label yourself "Conservative", maybe that is why you and so many others on your side seemingly refuse to acknowledge that change happens. What was done in the past does not mean that the same actions would take place in today's world.

    And what does military power have to do with political freedom?

    And there are nations which could argue with historical basis that United States actions actually destroyed freedom for their people.

    As others have noted, the Fraser Institute is not really looking at "political freedom" but rather at "economic freedom", which just might be the reason Hong Kong is ahead of the US on their list.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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