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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    “Necessary” when, in your opinion?
    Once the gun was invented, like the nuke the genie was out of the bottle. And there is no way of getting it back in. Disarming everyone leaves only the authorities and criminals with lethal weapons. That's not fair to law abiding citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That last is dead on. However, much less a political statement as a preservation of a constitutional right they see slipping away.
    But what is really slipping away is the past. It is a different world we live in, and what the 2nd Amendment meant before, and what firearms meant before, is not a reality in large chunks of the this country. It is a dark and twisted mirroring of a past bygone they imagine, a perversion of the firearm as a tool.

    I grew up with firearms as a tool, and the vocal sections of the gun lobby makes absolutely no sense to me. In a metaphor, it as if they are arguing that alcohol fueled funny cars should be street legal. *shrug* EDIT: Oh, and that the solution to any problems that come up is that more people need to drive them.
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Once the gun was invented, like the nuke the genie was out of the bottle. And there is no way of getting it back in. Disarming everyone leaves only the authorities and criminals with lethal weapons. That's not fair to law abiding citizens.
    Would not “a lot safer” be somewhere in the region of fair?

    Further, there is a LOT of territory between where the US is (even in the relatively tightest of states) and full “disarming everyone”. When the slightest hint of any change, or even research and dissemination of helpful information, is treated as an attack we are in an entirely dysfunction place.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    But what is really slipping away is the past. It is a different world we live in, and what the 2nd Amendment meant before, and what firearms meant before, is not a reality in large chunks of the this country. It is a dark and twisted mirroring of a past bygone they imagine, a perversion of the firearm as a tool.

    I grew up with firearms as a tool, and the vocal sections of the gun lobby makes absolutely no sense to me. In a metaphor, it as if they are arguing that alcohol fueled funny cars should be street legal. *shrug* EDIT: Oh, and that the solution to any problems that come up is that more people need to drive them.
    Which calls to mind the famous quote - "Those who can not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana)

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    I don't remember toddlers using tragedies to further their political agenda either

    What does any of this have to do with figuring out why our strict gun control laws failed to prevent this shooting?
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Would not “a lot safer” be somewhere in the region of fair?

    Further, there is a LOT of territory between where the US is (even in the relatively tightest of states) and full “disarming everyone”. When the slightest hint of any change, or even research and dissemination of helpful information, is treated as an attack we are in an entirely dysfunction place.
    I agree the reactions are strong but it's because the stated fixes are not always realistic. Seems nobody can find rational ways of discussing these events.
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree the reactions are strong but it's because the stated fixes are not always realistic. Seems nobody can find rational ways of discussing these events.
    When the simple “fix” of gathering and publishing objective data related to firearms triggers outrage, a flurry of lobbing, and prolonged and marked political exertion to financially shoot the messenger and keep them shut up? That is pathological. Blaming the unrealistic nature of some suggestions for “strong reactions” to all is a poor excuse, and suggests an entirely different underlying main root cause for the “strong reactions”.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    When the simple “fix” of gathering and publishing objective data related to firearms triggers outrage, a flurry of lobbing, and prolonged and marked political exertion to financially shoot the messenger and keep them shut up? That is pathological. Blaming the unrealistic nature of some suggestions for “strong reactions” to all is a poor excuse, and suggests an entirely different underlying main root cause for the “strong reactions”.
    That fix is neither realistic nor a fix, it's utter nonsense.
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    That fix is neither realistic nor a fix, it's utter nonsense.
    Why?

    Why is it a problem? EDIT: Its existence as an action, that is.

    And how exactly is the gathering and dissemination of objective information “utter nonsense”? What kind of Dark Age do you wish to live in?
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Why?

    Why is it a problem?

    And how exactly is the gathering and dissemination of objective information “utter nonsense”? What kind of Dark Age do you wish to live in?
    Gathering and publishing objective data related to firearms is going to prevent firearm related fatalities? How does that make any sense?
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