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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The fix won't come suddenly, no matter what we do.
    Absolutely not.

    That is part of why I generally am not that big ‘on control’, mostly I can take it or leave it. I am big on people coming to understand that firearms, no matter how big they make your penis swell (and maybe partly because they make your penis swell), in day-to-day life make you less safe. That is getting more to the core of the matter, a fix that requires less legislation (because, no, my “Libertarian” tag isn’t make believe ).

    Widespread understanding and society acceptance of that would got a hellva long way to solving firearm issues we have. But it is a very slow process, the fight against ignorance is at the best of times.

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    Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Again there is no way of knowing that more guns would of made the Aurora shootings any better, in a dark cinema full of tear gas and people running no one in the world could guarantee making that shot. Lets say as well that several people begin shooting back in the cinema, in the dark how would you know who was the attacker? Saying that more guns would of stopped the attacker is pure speculation.
    There is pretty good evidence of what happens when there ISN'T opposition to bad people with evil intent. That you find the factual reality preferable to the possibility of an armed trained responsible citizen in the second row stopping him after the first few rounds is...well...I simply have no response to that. No armed citizens responded...hurrah???

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    Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, I really can't take these people who act like more guns is THE answer and who pretend that adding a weapon to a situation always helps things. It's entirely possible that adding more weapons to certain mass shootings would have led to more causalities as the result of inexperienced people in a gun fight.

    For the record, the same people who advocate more guns as a solution to mass shootings are usually the same people who are strongly against people having to take a gun safety test before acquiring a license or permit. In other words, they believe in letting clueless people shoot guns in public spaces as a measure of safety. Go figure.
    So you too ignore the evidence which shows numerous instances of armed citizens stopping bloodshed in favor of the fantasy of what you THINK must be the obvious recourse.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Absolutely not.

    That is why I generally am not that big on control. I am big on people coming to understand that firearms, no matter how big they make your penis swell (and maybe partly because they make your penis swell), in day-to-day life make you less safe. Widespread understanding and society acceptance of that would got a hellva long way to solving firearm issues we have. But it is a very slow process, the fight against ignorance is at the best of times.

    I don't personally like the idea of guns though they're a necessary evil by reality. It's not the owning of guns that's so important it's the freedom of choice. Once we start down the path of losing freedoms it's hard to turn it around.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don’t personally like the idea of guns though they’re a necessary evil by reality.
    “Necessary” when, in your opinion?
    It's not the owning of guns that's so important it's the freedom of choice. Once we start down the path of losing freedoms it's hard to turn it around.
    There are a lot of freedoms out there, including the freedom not to live in the reenactment of 1970’s Beruit.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Details are starting to emerge. The boy used a shotgun and was there with the intent to harm ONE person. NONE of the proposed gun or ammo regulation would have done squat to prevent this.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is pretty good evidence of what happens when there ISN'T opposition to bad people with evil intent. That you find the factual reality preferable to the possibility of an armed trained responsible citizen in the second row stopping him after the first few rounds is...well...I simply have no response to that. No armed citizens responded...hurrah???

    yes I live in a world where I dont have to re-live my army days before I go to the Cinema.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What's funny about the gun debate in this country as it relates to me is that the only thing that ever makes me reconsider my position on guns is the words of many of our country's 'gun enthusiasts'. It's not the guns themselves; it's not even crime. It's the gun nuts. A lot of the things they say in public and things I consistently read on this forum are so over the top, reckless and hyperbolic that it makes me question whether or not I should be in favor of more gun control than I am. There are definitely a lot of people who cross the line from "protection" to the kind of irrationality that I don't think is safe for society.
    I moved away from the US last month but from my time there and posting on here I have noticed that for the pro-gun crowd it has become more of a obession that an actual need. It seemed to me that many gun owners did so to make a political statement rather than to actually defend themselves.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    yes I live in a world where I dont have to re-live my army days before I go to the Cinema.
    Well now, in actuality you live in a world where you some day, some moment, may have to re-live your Army days. The only question remains, will you be able to effectively, not having kept in practice all these years?

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I moved away from the US last month but from my time there and posting on here I have noticed that for the pro-gun crowd it has become more of a obession that an actual need. It seemed to me that many gun owners did so to make a political statement rather than to actually defend themselves.
    That last is dead on. However, much less a political statement as a preservation of a constitutional right they see slipping away.

    For instance, I haven't owned a firearm since 72, but when they started with this Brady Bill nonsense I joined the NRA and have been a member ever since.

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