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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd have to disagree. It would create an equality of force which would discourage the vast majority from attempting anything like this in most circumstances.

    It is disparity of force that typically leads to mass-murder.



    The mere presence of guns does not disturb me in the slightest. In my regional culture, guns are regarded as common items and not objects of existential horror.

    a good majority of people are stupid, reckless and rash and arming them scares me.
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    a good majority of people are stupid, reckless and rash and arming them scares me.
    what scares intelligent people is a society where the only people armed are stupid reckless and EVIL and that is what gun control laws promote

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    a good majority of people are stupid, reckless and rash and arming them scares me.

    I understand. However, statistics indicate that in America, the vast (VAST, as in much more than 99%) majority of gun owners never commit a crime or harm anyone by accident... one could thus argue that your fear is not entirely logical, no?

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Let's play a little game. It's called "you don't get to say **** and then act like you didn't and dodge around when you get called on it."

    Here's what you said. Notice the bold words

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yea because no children were killed

    If there was a pile of innocent little dead bodies you'd be the first one demanding a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. You can get off your soap box now.
    Here's you accusing Redress SPECIFICALLY of likely doing something. I asked you after that for a SPECIFIC instance of Red doing this previously. Your response?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Oh please. We both know that the shrieking harpies on the left were politicizing Gun Ownership while the bodies of those dead kids were still cooling.
    Starts with goal post moving.

    Then proceed to give quotes from...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Is it time to talk about gun control now? This is getting ridiculous. We never find the time to talk about gun control. These sort of things don't happen in England, and they have very strong gun control laws. The NRA needs to get out of the way and let the conversation begin.
    Not Redress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    When is the right time to talk about gun control? It's an honest question. Can you answer that? We have got to talk about it sometime, and it has to be before this happens again and again. How many innocent lives have to be lost before we start the conversation? I wish we had talked about it and acted before this happened. Maybe we can get it done before the next time sweet and innocent lives are lost.
    Not Redress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    It should have been turned into a political football about 10 shootings ago.. How many people have to die before righties come to terms with the fact that the NRA is nothing more than a murderers friend.. We need effective gun control and we need restrictions on they types of guns the public can own.
    Not Redress.... (notice the pattern)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Who knows, it is speculation. There has to be some link to the movie and I was only mentioning the two things that have been up in the media and web over the last week or so.. death threats against the director and the whole idiotic "Bane/Bain" bull**** from some on the right.
    Not redress...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'm figuring some right wing wacko from the reports. Kind of poorly planned and I'm sure they would favor better explosives. Possibly reacting to limbo
    Not Redress...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Redress on their reaction to a mass shooting
    Oh finally! FINALLY A redress quote. Maybe we'll see where Redress was demanding for the repeal of the 2nd amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    My first reaction would be to pray there where no armed gun nuts who will want to play hero and make things a whole ****load worse. Nothing worse than a gun, too much testosterone and an inferiority complex all rolled up into one.
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    Ah...nope. No call for the repeal of the 2nd amendment, just a dishonest attempt by you to attempt to use font tricks to make it seem like one statement in a line of conditions was all Redress really said.

    Yes, stating that a gun, lots of testosterone, and an inferiority complex is a bad combination is CLEARLY calling for the repeal of the 2nd amendment.

    Pathetic, ridiculous, but typical. You made a bull**** claim, got called on it, and then tried to dance around for the majority of your post pulling **** out of your ass to cover for the fact you stated a ridiculous accusation only to finally come down to using Font tricks to misrepresent a rather reasonable statement as somehow being the equivalent of calling for the repeal of the 2nd amendment.

    Wonderful job at "debating". Pretty much all you've done is manage to show yourself on the same level as you view the majority of those who you quoted in that post.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    a good majority of people are stupid, reckless and rash and arming them scares me.
    Who is talking about ARMING people? Arming them would be actively having the government SUPPLY them with weapons. No one is suggesting that what so ever.

    Also, understand that I can respect how you want things done in your country. In OUR country, being "Scared" of something happening is not a reason to restrict the constitution. I'm scared of the impact on children watching a bunch of hate mongering morons scream that their father died because God hates fags and that their father was a horrible vile person for being part of the military...but that doesn't mean I think that their speech should be limited, constrained, or regulated in some way (But hey, that'd be okay! I mean, if we force them to only speak with 7 words in stead of 10, fill out a permit to speak in public, and make sure they're not speaking in a "no free speech zone"...we're not denying them their right to free speech, we're just regulating what they can do with it!)

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I understand. However, statistics indicate that in America, the vast (VAST, as in much more than 99%) majority of gun owners never commit a crime or harm anyone by accident... one could thus argue that your fear is not entirely logical, no?
    As per the other thread; Statistics also suggest not having a firearm in the home is safer than having one (the actuary numbers are quite grim). As well the numbers are that a firearm is much more likely to hurt the very people is supposed to protect.

    EDIT: So while Higgins86 might be shading things further than I would, the bottom line is that adding firearms on the whole makes people less safe. Given its explicit function as a tool to inflict injury, that is hardly surprising.
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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    a good majority of people are stupid, reckless and rash and arming them scares me.
    You should get over your ideologically driven fears. If the police respond to an active shooter situation do you believe they are just going to calmly chill and wait for the shooter to run out of bullets? Historical precedence suggests otherwise and civilians have been at risk (but then...conundrum...civilians are AT RISK when an armed assailant is killing them at will). Historical precedence also CLEARLY suggests that armed citizens have and do respond immediately, responsibly, and have saved lives. So...live your fear...but face the facts.

    Should you ever be in that horrific environment, you can lay down and wait your turn to die like a sheep or at least be grateful that someone else had a differing opinion and chose not to be a victim.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what scares intelligent people is a society where the only people armed are stupid reckless and EVIL and that is what gun control laws promote
    thats not how its worked out in other countries.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    As per the other thread; Statistics also suggest not having a firearm in the home is safer than having one (the actuary numbers are quite grim). As well the numbers are that a firearm is much more likely to hurt the very people is supposed to protect.
    It is not the governments responsibility to restrict my ability to engage in constitutional activity in the name of "keeping me safer". We vested specific powers unto the government, not the power to be our nanny. I don't agree with much gun regulation, but there are at least some arguments for it that I can see are relatively legitimate to make even if I don't agree with it. But the fact they're less safe in some generalized way is not a reason nor argument for placing restrictions upon how one engages in their constitutional rights....regardless if its to keep and bear arms or to practice a religion or to assemble in a group.

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    Re: Shooting reported at California H.S.[W92]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You should get over your ideologically driven fears. If the police respond to an active shooter situation do you believe they are just going to calmly chill and wait for the shooter to run out of bullets? Historical precedence suggests otherwise and civilians have been at risk (but then...conundrum...civilians are AT RISK when an armed assailant is killing them at will). Historical precedence also CLEARLY suggests that armed citizens have and do respond immediately, responsibly, and have saved lives. So...live your fear...but face the facts.

    Should you ever be in that horrific environment, you can lay down and wait your turn to die like a sheep or at least be grateful that someone else had a differing opinion and chose not to be a victim.

    face facts? What facts are those then? No one knows that armed civillians would of helped stop the shootings in Auroa for example, in a dark cinema more guns could of made the siuation much worse and actually could of killed more people. Your entitled to your opinion but lets not pretend like arming citizens is a proven way to stop mass killings.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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