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Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxnews.

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"Ever" is a long time.

But you may have missed this in my previous post: " On the other hand they may organize a BBQ at an individual home - which may be on base or off.

The issue isn't about whether the club "ever" holds an event at a volunteers home, the issue is about commands providing official recognition and command sponsorship to a Spouse Club which excludes spouses.



The "club" does not mandate that Family "A" or "B" MUST hold an even in a home. Nope not done. Someone, in such a situation, may volunteer to hold such an even. If another person doesn't want a homosexual to attend and event in their home, or a black, or a Jew - they just don't volunteer their home. If they don't want to participate in command spoored events at on-base location or at other homes - no one makes them attend, they are free no to show up.

There is no "association in question", if you don't want to associate - don't go. Attendance is not mandatory, it's voluntary. If you don't want to join the club don't, people are free to start their own private clubs and invite whomever they wish, they just can't be command sponsored.



I spent 20-years, 66 days, and about 16 hours on active duty before transferring to the Fleet Reserve, as someone that did join the military - You are not in a status where "you have no rights anymore".

Your rights may be curtailed, for example, free speech that is prejudicial to good order and discipline may be restricted. You are free to go to a Klan rally if you want in civilian clothes, you can attend political fund raisers and events for candidates in civilian clothes. You can even speak at such events. You may not though wear your uniform at such events or project yourself as a member of the military or to be acting under military authority. Evey base I was ever stationed at, I could own firearms. When I lived in base housing I had to register them with security, when I lived in the barracks they were stored in the armory. If I had been arrested for a crime (which of course I wasn't) I still had a right to counsel, the right of non-incrimination, the right to a speedy trial, the right to a day in court, the right to question my accuser, and the right to challenge a conviction on appeal. Military courts are different then civilian courts, that does not mean that rights do not exist.

Curtailed or function differently does not mean that you have no rights.


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ever as ...have they had a gathering in someone's home before...........not ever as in forever.

right to association is the problem is question..., however as stated to, you don't have that right while in the military, ...the UCMJ takes over.
 
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ever as ...have they had a gathering in someone's home before...........not ever as in forever.

right to association is the problem is question...,


No "right of association" is not the question. Command Sponsorship is the question. And again, if such a group has ever had an event in someone's home is totally irrelevant as no one is required to have such an event at their home. People may volunteer the use of their home for an event but no Spouse in such a club is required to host an event or to attend any event.

A group can get together form a private club and associate with or without whomever they wish. They can accept or reject homosexuals, Asians, Jews, or men. Their have free right of association. The limitation is on the Command to Sponsor such a club. If they provide equal access to all spouses, they can get Command Sponsorship. However if they want to exclude some military spouses, they can still form their private club, they just don't get command recognition.

Same logic that many espouse regarding Same-sex Marriage in States that ban it. Same-sex Couples can have a religious or secular ceremony, they just don't get the State recognition.


however as stated to, you don't have that right while in the military, ...the UCMJ takes over.


BTW - Generally speaking the UCMJ is not applicable to spouses in any State, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The only time they fall under the UCMJ is on accompanied orders to a foreign country for command sponsorship. Who is subject to the USMJ is covered in the United States Code Title 10 Chapter 47 Article 802.

10 USC § 802 - Art. 2. Persons subject to this chapter | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute



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Actually it WAS a problem. Now it has been solved. I'm sure countries like Iran might be more to your liking, I hear they hate gays too.

I've just been telling them to move to Russia, but forcing gays to undergo sex change is probably more to his liking yeah.
 
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Marines Tell Spouses Clubs: Admit Same-Sex Spouses - ABC News





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more discrimination bites the dust, one step at a time equal rights is winning and will prevail.

Good job Marines! :2usflag:

is it inequity to not let a write business owner from joining the The National Black Chamber of Commerce or how about is it inequality for to not allowing a white women from participating in the Black Miss America pageant or could a white congress man join the congress black caucus
 
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Wow, there are a lot iof people who are pissed at this now, and yet for some reason none of them cared way back in january when this thread passed without a single response. Way to show true concern here guys. it is so important that you have not complained about it for 9 months.
 
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stalker alert lol

no its not bullying at all, nice try but a huge fail

"The Marine Corps has advised its legal staff that spouses clubs operating on its installations must admit same-sex spouses if they wish to remain on the bases."
they are free to move off the installations.

Fail

You actually didn't address my point. Moving them off-base due to a new military stupid regulation IS the bullying for a special interest group.
 
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No "right of association" is not the question. Command Sponsorship is the question. And again, if such a group has ever had an event in someone's home is totally irrelevant as no one is required to have such an event at their home. People may volunteer the use of their home for an event but no Spouse in such a club is required to host an event or to attend any event.

A group can get together form a private club and associate with or without whomever they wish. They can accept or reject homosexuals, Asians, Jews, or men. Their have free right of association. The limitation is on the Command to Sponsor such a club. If they provide equal access to all spouses, they can get Command Sponsorship. However if they want to exclude some military spouses, they can still form their private club, they just don't get command recognition.

Same logic that many espouse regarding Same-sex Marriage in States that ban it. Same-sex Couples can have a religious or secular ceremony, they just don't get the State recognition.





BTW - Generally speaking the UCMJ is not applicable to spouses in any State, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The only time they fall under the UCMJ is on accompanied orders to a foreign country for command sponsorship. Who is subject to the USMJ is covered in the United States Code Title 10 Chapter 47 Article 802.

10 USC § 802 - Art. 2. Persons subject to this chapter | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute



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well i will take your wording since i have not gotten to deep into his.

the only thing i will really say is , it goes back to most of the problems of the world, one group wanting to use force to make another group do what it wants them to.
 
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1.)You actually didn't address my point.
2A.) Moving them off-base due to a new military stupid regulation
2B.)IS the bullying
2C.) for a special interest group.

1.)actually i addressed it 100%, nice try but another fail
2A.) your opinion about the rule is meaningless
2B.) 100% false and its beyond stupid to even consider it bullying, is it bullying if you come to my property and when you dont follow the rules you have to leave? nope
It thier choice to leave they have to play by the same rules as everybody else. Allowing them not to is what would be special. lol
2C.) nothing special about it

like i said its their installation so theres ZERO bullying
 
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1.)actually i addressed it 100%, nice try but another fail
2A.) your opinion about the rule is meaningless
2B.) 100% false and its beyond stupid to even consider it bullying, is it bullying if you come to my property and when you dont follow the rules you have to leave? nope
It thier choice to leave they have to play by the same rules as everybody else. Allowing them not to is what would be special. lol
2C.) nothing special about it

like i said its their installation so theres ZERO bullying

Gay "rights" is absolutely a special interest group.
 
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Gay "rights" is absolutely a special interest group.

nope, government is just fight to stop discrimination and trying to achieve equal rights, this is something most Americans are for. Also considering government does this for us all theres nothign special about it. nice try but another fail.
 
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nope, government is just fight to stop discrimination and trying to achieve equal rights, this is something most Americans are for. Also considering government does this for us all theres nothign special about it. nice try but another fail.

They already have equal rights.
 
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They already have equal rights.

really? weird i wonder what they are fighting for and why they cant do things other Americans can do and why there's been court cases granting them marriage in the name of equality?


oh thats right all that stuff is wrong, the laws established, the precedence, the cases and its only your false opinion that matters.

no thanks ill stick with facts and the fact is they do not have equal rights no matter how much you lie about it.

Your post fails again
 
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You actually didn't address my point. Moving them off-base due to a new military stupid regulation IS the bullying for a special interest group.

Yes, equal rights for military spouces is bullying. :lamo

I suppose you're fine with a "white-only" club onmilitary posts too. I'm extremely thankful you have abosultely ZERO say in all of this.
 
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Gay "rights" is absolutely a special interest group.

So are religioius groups.
 
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Yes, equal rights for military spouces is bullying. :lamo

I suppose you're fine with a "white-only" club onmilitary posts too. I'm extremely thankful you have abosultely ZERO say in all of this.

some people simple dont care about the rights of their fellow americans or what makes this country great
 
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really? weird i wonder what they are fighting for and why they cant do things other Americans can do and why there's been court cases granting them marriage in the name of equality?


oh thats right all that stuff is wrong, the laws established, the precedence, the cases and its only your false opinion that matters.

no thanks ill stick with facts and the fact is they do not have equal rights no matter how much you lie about it.

Your post fails again

I can't help it if liberals, like yourself, are ignorant of the equality they do have. Anyone can get married.
 
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Yes, equal rights for military spouces is bullying. :lamo

I suppose you're fine with a "white-only" club onmilitary posts too. I'm extremely thankful you have abosultely ZERO say in all of this.

So are you calling me a racist now? Even though I have not indicated anything of that nature? Shame on you.
 
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So are you calling me a racist now? Even though I have not indicated anything of that nature? Shame on you.

Hey, you seem to believe that its the military groups rights to invite ANYONE or exclude AYNONE they want to, so why wouldn't you support a "white-only" club? Unless you are just being hypocritical because gays want to joi n those clubs. I'll let YOU decide which one you are and then YOU can get back to us ok?
 
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Religion is protected by rights. Homosexuality (sin) is not.

Your comment mentioned special interest groups. Yes, religious groups are special interest groups. Sorry you hate the truth. Thr truth is, your comments are very ugly towards gays and I'm happy you can't do anything about this military club thing. Deal with it!
 
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They already have equal rights.


The Commonwealth of Virginia made the same type of argument to support anti-miscegenation in the Loving case, that Negro's and White's were treated the same therefore they were equal.


How well did that logic work?


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1.)I can't help it if liberals, like yourself,
2.)are ignorant of the equality they do have. Anyone can get married.

1.) not a liberal
2.) facts prove you wrong no matter how many times you repeat this lie lol
3.) this is also factually wrong

well, as usual your post is destroyed by facts again, anything else?
 
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1.) not a liberal
2.) facts prove you wrong no matter how many times you repeat this lie lol
3.) this is also factually wrong

well, as usual your post is destroyed by facts again, anything else?

Not a liberal? :lamo Pro-Choice, Pro-Gay, you definitely are not conservative.
 
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Not a liberal? :lamo Pro-Choice, Pro-Gay, you definitely are not conservative.

laugh all you want but as usual you are clueless and factually wrong
yep not a liberal and yes i am definitely not a conservative and would never want to be, Im an independent and always will be. IMO its the only way to be, im not a sheep and if i did identify under any party i would be some type of moderate because i dont follow just to follow.

remind me again how this changes the fact you are wrong? oh thats right it doesnt, just another deflection that failed.
 
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The Commonwealth of Virginia made the same type of argument to support anti-miscegenation in the Loving case, that Negro's and White's were treated the same therefore they were equal.


How well did that logic work?


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shhhhhhhh dont use facts to destroy his failed posts hell just ignore or deny them anyway
 
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