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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't quite get it. If cohesion is removed through being allowed in, but there's an incredibly small number of them in the military, where is the fire? Furthermore, have we really demonstrated that there was a big fire? Are we led to believe that the DOD's investigations were seriously flawed?
    The big fire wasn't in the military in the first place, but in the political arena. And politics rules the military command structure. To the point where political considerations win out over unit cohesion concerns. A good Commander In Chief does his best to shield the military from that as much as possible.

    The DOD is a political, not a military animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The big fire wasn't in the military in the first place, but in the political arena. And politics rules the military command structure. To the point where political considerations win out over unit cohesion concerns. A good Commander In Chief does his best to shield the military from that as much as possible.

    The DOD is a political, not a military animal.
    That was why I asked if there was serious evidence that reports from, say, RAND or the DOD were actually very flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are you ok with a white only club on base? Because the military says you can't have that and BOTH conservatives and liberals agree with the military on that.
    Would I have a problem with a black only club or a pantywaist only club ? Probably not as long as they aren't political.

    Here's how it use to be.

    Just up aways from Marble Mountain was China Beach, There was the China Beach Surf Club. 100 % white. Why ? Because there were only white surfers in-country.

    But when you weren't out in the bush and not filling snad bags or burning ####, it was usally three cliques, each having their own hooch. The stoners, not actually getting stoned but in line with the music they were into, rock n' roll. The boozers, those drinking beer and listening to country music. And the brothers, smokn the weed and listening to Motown.

    I notice today because of political correctness and diversity forced upon the military the number of cliques with in the military has grown. Those who have served know the saying of "Hurry up and wait." It was true fifty or forty years ago as it is today. When I'm aboard Camp Pendleton and it's hurry up and wait I see all of the Marines segregated into their little cliques. The white clique, Latino clique, black clique, Asian clique, female Marine clique, the grunt clique, the pog clique. And I expect the gay clique will soon be the new clique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I've read many of your posts and expect nothing other than right-wing obnoxious crap. You guys always say terrible things then play dumb when it comes time to answer for it.
    Have your teacher explain to you where you've gone horribly wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Incredible mental gymnastics on your part. How you take ending state sponsored discrimination as fascist, authoritarian, totalitarian is beyond comprehension. Nobody is "forcing" anything other than equal access to state facilities. How you make equal evil is a Jedi mind trick.
    While that is true, I think it worthwhile to actually step it up a notch and allow it to be called authoritarian and defend it on those terms if he likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That was why I asked if there was serious evidence that reports from, say, RAND or the DOD were actually very flawed.
    I'm not getting what you are asking then. Reports from the DOD are always going to be political in nature and reinforce the political thinking of the administration they serve. They will always be flawed with that bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'm not getting what you are asking then. Reports from the DOD are always going to be political in nature and reinforce the political thinking of the administration they serve. They will always be flawed with that bias.
    I get that you accuse it of being political in nature (for decent reason), but do we actually have widespread evidence that those reports were enormously flawed with what they were reporting?
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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Conservatives, finish this sentence:

    "I think same-sex spouses should be denied entry to military spouse clubs by the federal government because _____"
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While that is true, I think it worthwhile to actually step it up a notch and allow it to be called authoritarian and defend it on those terms if he likes.
    Interesting idea, I never thought of authoritarian in that light. I suppose we could call it that. We could also frame it as one person's rights ending where another person's begins, that sounds kind of... libertarian.

    What say you Nick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Are these not private clubs for specific people? That's not equality that is bullying.
    stalker alert lol

    no its not bullying at all, nice try but a huge fail

    "The Marine Corps has advised its legal staff that spouses clubs operating on its installations must admit same-sex spouses if they wish to remain on the bases."
    they are free to move off the installations.

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