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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Regarding the bold, that I believe is a stretch if you are talking about private employers. Benefit packages (insurance for example) are defined by State law not Federal law. The Federal government, because of the overturning of DOMA Section 3, will be extending benefits to Federal employees in Same-sex Civil Marriages. That does not mean that State employees will be receiving those benefits nor does it mean that employees of private entities will be receiving those benefits.



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    well yes you are right, i need to be more specific anythign federal must be given and a lot of times it is 401Ks and health plans

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    Labor Dept.: Same-Sex Spouses Have Benefit Rights - ABC News
    Labor Dept.: Same-sex spouses have employee benefit rights regardless of residence - The Washington Post
    Labor Dept: same-sex spouses can participate in benefit plans | Reuters
    Labor Department: Gay Married Couples Have Benefit Plan Rights

    Labor Dept.: Same-Sex Spouses Have Benefit Rights

    WASHINGTON September 18, 2013 (AP)
    By SAM HANANEL Associated Press






    Legally married same-sex couples have the right to participate in employee benefit plans even if they live in states that don't recognize their union, the Labor Department said Wednesday.
    The new guidance means gay spouses enjoy the same federal rights as other married couples when it comes to pensions, 401Ks, health plans and other similar benefits.
    It is the latest effort by the Obama administration to clarify questions left unanswered after the Supreme Court's landmark ruling in June which invalidated part of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. The interpretation is consistent with a ruling from the Internal Revenue Service last month that legally married gay couples can file joint federal tax returns even if they reside in states that do not recognize same-sex marriages.
    "This decision represents a historic step toward equality for all American families, and I have directed the department's agency heads to ensure that they are implementing the decision in a way that provides maximum protection for workers and their families," said Labor Secretary Thomas Perez.
    The agency said the terms "spouse" and "marriage" in the Employee Retirement Income Security Act should be read to include same-sex couples regardless of where they currently reside. That means a gay couple that marries legally in Minnesota or New York can still participate equally in retirement and other federal employee benefits if they move to Florida, where gay marriage is not legal.
    The interpretation "provides a uniform rule of recognition that can be applied with certainty by stakeholders, including employers, plan administrators, participants, and beneficiaries," the agency said.
    Groups that represent large employers welcomed the guidance, saying it makes it easier for companies operating across the country to have uniform rules to follow when it comes to issues like spousal consent on distribution of benefits and survivorship rights. Gay marriage is currently legal in 13 states and the District of Columbia. The new guidance extends federal employee benefit rights to married same-sex couples in the other 37 states — even those that have laws refusing to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    For now, but there is already a case in the lines that challenges the states constitutional ban. We'll see how that turns out.
    Hopefully it will turn out the same way that Prop 8 did as far as the Federal Government staying out of state business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    SC doesn't support, condone or recognize, SSM, that is enough.
    and yet tomorrow a gay couple could move in next to your parents house and they could be factually married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    SC doesn't support, condone or recognize, SSM, that is enough.

    For now, they will come around eventually. SC was one of the 18 states that had to have the SCOTUS tell them that it was not OK to bar Civil Marriage based on the color of their skin also.



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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    If you didn't dodge, please show me your explanation of how you are not a liberal. Oh wait, it isn't there because you dodged.
    translation: you posted another lie and you still cant address what i said. thats what i thought.

    thanks for playing facts defeat you again
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Hopefully it will turn out the same way that Prop 8 did as far as the Federal Government staying out of state business.

    You realize the SCOTUS allowed to let stand the ruling that Prop 8 was unconstitutional right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You realize the SCOTUS allowed to let stand the ruling that Prop 8 was unconstitutional right?


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    No they didn't actually rule at all, they punted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you posted another lie and you still cant address what i said. thats what i thought.

    thanks for playing facts defeat you again
    You are the one who can't seem to prove your claim that you are not in fact a liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Good thing it is not legal in my state. Whew.
    Honest question:

    Let's say it became legal in your state. What specific impact do you expect this would have on your life?

    I ask because this is one aspect of the anti-SSM argument I've just never really been able to grasp. I don't really know how you expect this will affect you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You are the one who can't seem to prove your claim that you are not in fact a liberal.
    It's your job to prove he is since that is your claim. BTW I'll give you a hint, Pro-Gay marriage and Pro-Choice does not make you a liberal based on just those two things. There are many many other issues that are out there. The best you can say is his Pro-Gay marriage and Pro-Choice is a liberal leaning.

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