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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can anyone tell me where these clubs are?
    The club isn't a location, the club is people (i.e. the spouses of members of a command).

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are they held in a government building for the ladies?
    No, they are comprised of military spouses who can be male or female.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are they held in a government building for the ladies?

    are they held in an individual home /housing on base?
    Some events may be held in government buildings or on government property. They can also organize events that occur off base.


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    In all seriousness, the club (or clubs) are people that functions with command sponsorship. They have by-laws on how the club will function, they elect officers to positions of responsibility, and if they raise funds there are guidelines on how those funds are spend and reviewed (typically spelled out in the by-laws). One of the officers of the club is also usually (but not always the command Ombudsman).

    The club, because of it's command sponsorship, can reserve various base facilities for functions. Say a softball field/park area for a cookout, or the officers club for a party. On the other hand they may organize a BBQ at an individual home - which may be on base or off. The "Spouse Club" can also function as a vital means of support and communication for command families when units are deployed. Because they are command sponsored and (normally have the Ombudsman as an officer) call trees are created and members can provide emergency support.



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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I actually knew and know and spoke to blacks who lived during the 50's and 60's in the urban cities of the South who were forbidden from riding in the front of a bus or where they could sit when eating a sandwich. I listen to them. But I don't listen to white leftist agitators, the majority who never lived in the South back during the era of the Jim Crow Laws always rubbing salt into the wounds and thinking they are the spoke holes for all black Americans.
    I'm thinking any white guy who 'knew and spoke to' blacks in the south before the civil rights revolution did so due to the social engineering with in the Military due to political pressure from the civilian oversight as per the Constitution.

    I grew up in the South, only blacks I spoke to worked for us. I watched black and white work scarcely exchanging any small talk... no how's the wife or you coming to the game friday... certainly no eating together either at work or afterwards. No black man earned the same as a white. The 'good' negroes knew their place and change will come (someday but DAMN sure not today)

    The northern activists did help push for equality and were seen as 'traitors' to their race. 'Rubbing salt' was more like exposing oozing wounds and scrubbing out the rot... Not pleasant and I suppose some with a grudge from that time still live....

    Now the 'Spouse Club' is a function of the military, set-up by the military and supported by the military. Not always but you won't go broke betting the Unit Commander's wife runs the spouse's club. In these clubs many wives wear their husband's rank. These clubs help unit morale while deployed with everything from babysitting to carpools to loaner closets. When a unit deploys at the very least an NCO in the stay behind cadre is assigned to work with the Spouse's club.

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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    some info for you, in another thread he said to me........" the people will be forced to"
    Makes sense ..... Dictators (and wanna be dictators) all suffer from the delusion that they know whats best for everyone despite their blatant contradictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Your ideals are the ones forcing individuals to partake in something they may not want to partake in....

    I have no desire to enforce my beliefs on others unlike you--- yes you...

    It's not mental gymnastics either -- it's basic respect for another individual to live how they see fit....

    This is something you just cannot comprehend weather you want to or refuse to.....
    What would you call the government sponsoring clubs in which one group is given access and another is denied. Would you call that forcing? Would you say that concept is bad, or wrong? The alternative would be segregation, is that really what you want? The other alternative would be to deny gays rights that others have, plain discrimination. I really don't see how you can argue this, especially from a libertarian perspective. I've long categorized you as a confused conservative.

    So if you look at the next concept, the government sponsoring clubs in which anyone in the military is given access and no one is denied... you call that forcing?

    This is a little bit strange. Please explain to me the logic behind equality being "forced" in a negative context in contrast to state sponsored discrimination NOT being "forced" and being shown in a positive context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    some info for you, in another thread he said to me........" the people will be forced to"
    LoL, what did I say? I was being a dictator? An evil FORCER, lol. You guys are hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    What would you call the government sponsoring clubs in which one group is given access and another is denied. Would you call that forcing? Would you say that concept is bad, or wrong? The alternative would be segregation, is that really what you want? The other alternative would be to deny gays rights that others have, plain discrimination. I really don't see how you can argue this, especially from a libertarian perspective. I've long categorized you as a confused conservative.

    So if you look at the next concept, the government sponsoring clubs in which anyone in the military is given access and no one is denied... you call that forcing?

    This is a little bit strange. Please explain to me the logic behind equality being "forced" in a negative context in contrast to state sponsored discrimination NOT being "forced" and being shown in a positive context.
    The government isn't sponsoring any club - clubs are made up by individuals - not government - that's why they're called "clubs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Makes sense ..... Dictators (and wanna be dictators) all suffer from the delusion that they know whats best for everyone despite their blatant contradictions.
    Yep I'm a little Hitler standing up for gay rights. Paint the stache on me and ready the gas chambers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The government isn't sponsoring any club - clubs are made up by individuals - not government.
    This all happens on base, correct? You do realize that has implications? Just like with public government buildings are supposed to be neutral in regards to race, gender, blah blah etc.

    You guys really don't understand the concept of neutral and unbiased. If you want to have a private club with certain rules you can do it with your own private property and funds.

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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    The club isn't a location, the club is people (i.e. the spouses of members of a command).



    No, they are comprised of military spouses who can be male or female.




    Some events may be held in government buildings or on government property. They can also organize events that occur off base.


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    In all seriousness, the club (or clubs) are people that functions with command sponsorship. They have by-laws on how the club will function, they elect officers to positions of responsibility, and if they raise funds there are guidelines on how those funds are spend and reviewed (typically spelled out in the by-laws). One of the officers of the club is also usually (but not always the command Ombudsman).

    The club, because of it's command sponsorship, can reserve various base facilities for functions. Say a softball field/park area for a cookout, or the officers club for a party. On the other hand they may organize a BBQ at an individual home - which may be on base or off. The "Spouse Club" can also function as a vital means of support and communication for command families when units are deployed. Because they are command sponsored and (normally have the Ombudsman as an officer) call trees are created and members can provide emergency support.



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    question........are these gatherings ever in a home of a person.

    from what it appears to be......it is association in question.......

    anyone who has joined the military knows, when you join, you have no rights anymore...i know its hard to believe.....but you receive the UCMJ, for your rights.

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    Re: Marines tell spouses clubs to admit same-sex spouses Read more: http://www.foxne

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)Ok Stalin.....
    2.)I'm not changing your posts am I???
    3.) You're clearly an authoritarian ......
    4.) You change my post again I will put you on ignore...
    5.) Your opinion on civil liberties and the Bill of Rights goes way beyond "opinion" and into the realm of epic ignorance, tyranny, authoritarianism and fascism...
    6.) You apparently don't know where the "red line" is between fascism/authoritarianism and liberalism.....
    1.) deflection 1
    2.) deflection 2.
    Already told you i number your point and my responses out of convenience and courtesy so theres no confusion what i am responding to, and sorry if this bothers you but the solution is easy, Simply dont respond to me.
    3.) deflection 3, 100% false
    4.) deflection 4, oh no what will i ever do, so scared. I mean what will i do with all the intelligent, honest, insightful, objective and relevant postings you make <end sarcasm>
    5.) deflection 5 and yet you have ZERO logical and factual support of this
    6.) deflection 6

    can you back up these lies and illogical fallacies with any facts at all? any?
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