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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

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cpwill said:
That is incorrect - EO's apply only to members of the executive branch. Government services could be forbidden from writing magazine articles; but the general populace would be free to continue to write as many diatribes in Better Homes and Gardens as they wish.
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Correct. There is a woeful misunderstanding of what Executive Orders are.
 
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Harshaw said:
Correct. There is a woeful misunderstanding of what Executive Orders are.
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I find the funny thing about the OP is the line “Just a note, this would have been called “conspiracy theory” just a year ago.” while seeming to wade nipple deep in “conspiracy theory”.
 
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jamesrage said:
I think if many anti-2nd amendment crack pots had it their way then assault weapon would be defined as any semi-automatic weapon that accepts a detachable magazine and revolvers.
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Absolutely....I just find it absurd that people are calling for the ban of a rifle because "it looks scary"....
 
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jamesrage said:
I think if many anti-2nd amendment crack pots had it their way then assault weapon would be defined as any semi-automatic weapon that accepts a detachable magazine and revolvers.
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I am curious, what issues do you see raised with no [easily] detachable magazine, magazine (or revolver chamber) limit of 8 − 10 rounds?** What about no semi-automatics above pistol-size (roughly speaking)?

Aside from the obvious of how to deal with the existing firearms in circulation.

EDIT: **Obviously no speed-loader clips.
 
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Dammitboy! said:
Yes, you should probably wait until you have nothing to fight with...
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Imo, too much blood has already been shed for your mindless, fabricated, self serving cause. But if and when the fight comes, I will just watch it on TV and probably shake my head in disgust at what the gun nuts have brought on themselves.
 
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j-mac said:
Ok, I asked people before, now I will ask you....What defines an assault weapon?
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An assault weapon is a select-fire firearm using a moderate caliber round.

What do I win?

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The Liberaltard Definition is slightly different.

Assault Weapon = anything that scares me
 
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Moot said:
Imo, too much blood has already been shed for your mindless, fabricated, self serving cause. But if and when the fight comes, I will just watch it on TV and probably shake my head in disgust at what the gun nuts have brought on themselves.
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Sorry, too much FAIL in your post for me to respond with anything more than - lol...
 
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Dammitboy! said:
Sorry, too much FAIL in your post for me to respond with anything more than - lol...
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She thinks paintball is somehow equal to real combat and that firing toys that shoot paint is somehow like firing a real gun.So what ever she says should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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j-mac said:
Absolutely....I just find it absurd that people are calling for the ban of a rifle because "it looks scary"....
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I have found that there is a huge amount of ignorance, among the general population, concerning guns. That is really the biggest problem we have. People are ignorant, and are happy in their ignorance.
 
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cpwill said:
Um yeah? Congress has the right to pass laws relating to the declaration of armed conflict. For example, 60 odd years later, they squished a rather significant domestic insurrection. I realize that our public education system has fallen as of late - but you must have heard of it. There was a Denzel Washington movie and everything.
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Right, it should be called the Civil Rebellion instead of a war...but you would have to had an education to understand that.


Now, had Jefferson attempted unilaterally to abridge the Constitutional rights of the American Citizenry, yeah you would have a point on the claim that he was a hypocrite on this issue. Unfortunately, it seems that you're just quoting a blog without understanding it.
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Unlike you I fully understand what I quoted and it wasn't a blog, it was a law signed by Jefferson to squelch insurrections such as the one you and others are proposing. Jefferson had the support of public opinion on his side as will any president who has to put down a few extremists. So it might behoove you to remember that Timothy McVeigh is no hero.
 
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Dammitboy! said:
Sorry, too much FAIL in your post for me to respond with anything more than - lol...
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The FAIL is all yours.
 
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jamesrage said:
She thinks paintball is somehow equal to real combat and that firing toys that shoot paint is somehow like firing a real gun.So what ever she says should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Strawman's are all you ever seem to have.
 
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j-mac said:
Absolutely....I just find it absurd that people are calling for the ban of a rifle because "it looks scary"....
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Scarier still are the idiots behind the gun.
 
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Moot said:
Strawman's are all you ever seem to have.
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What strawman, you actually made threads comparing paintball to combat and compared toys that fire paint to firearms.
 
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Moot said:
Scarier still are the idiots behind the gun.
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Ah, so it's not the weapon but in fact the person using the weapon.

The same could be said of a madman with a pistol, grenade, knife, or automobile.
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: Wilson, mostly. To a lesser extent, Lincoln - but that was wartime specific, and it went away after him. Wilson revived it, Coolidge did his best to ignore it, Hoover and then FDR full-flowered it, and ever since then every President has found it too tempting not to touch.
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You know alot of history marine...:) alot more than moi...thanks
 
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j-mac said:
Is there any reason to believe that his EO won't carry the force of law?
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The quote is out of context.
But I expect that Obam's EOs will have the exact same standing as any other PotUS's EOs.
 
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Moot said:
Right, it should be called the Civil Rebellion instead of a war...but you would have to had an education to understand that.


Unlike you I fully understand what I quoted and it wasn't a blog, it was a law signed by Jefferson to squelch insurrections such as the one you and others are proposing. Jefferson had the support of public opinion on his side as will any president who has to put down a few extremists. So it might behoove you to remember that Timothy McVeigh is no hero.
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Um, McVeigh used a homemade bomb....Should we ban fertilizer, and diesel fuel now too?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
The quote is out of context.
But I expect that Obam's EOs will have the exact same standing as any other PotUS's EOs.
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What does that mean? Not trying to be snarky here, but I asked a specific question....Do you have a specific answer?

Will Obama's EO carry the force of law on the citizenry?
 
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When I own my own place one day I am getting my permit and buying a handgun for my own protection. If I ever work in an independent pharmacy I will have a gun there and a gun on me. We don't have a gun problem in the country, we have a problem with gun free zones (in my opinion) and a problem with psychopaths and evil people that will kill regardless of gun laws.
 
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notquiteright said:
I'd say the ACLU has a MUCH better track record of actually supporting court action to change/define the limits of our laws.
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Not unless you're white. ...or male. ...or non-unionized.
 
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Harshaw said:
No, you went into some mouth-drooling about "you guys" and thinking "Obama is a moron," which I never said a thing about.

And to the extent you "restated" what Redress said (which you didn't, as Redress obviously had something specific in mind -- but apparently we'll never know what, seeing as Redress has fled), you also fail to answer the question. Which, indeed, needs to be answered, because as Simon W. Moon was helpful in illustrating, there's nothing a constitutional EO CAN do.

So, step up and take a shot at what you think such an EO could be. If not, you're prattling on about nonsense that you hope to be true, not anything of any epistemological worth, and that's the whole point of my question.

Go for it. Or don't, and babble on to someone else who might care.
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An example of a potential EO that I would suspect is totally constitutional:

Federal background checks for gun purchases will have additional information added to the database checked to help to better catch people with a documented history of mental illness. (which I think would have been prudent after the Giffords shooting)

Any more complaints?
 
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Deuce said:
An example of a potential EO that I would suspect is totally constitutional:

Federal background checks for gun purchases will have additional information added to the database checked to help to better catch people with a documented history of mental illness. (which I think would have been prudent after the Giffords shooting)
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And where is this additional information collection authorized by statute?
 
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jamesrage said:
What strawman, you actually made threads comparing paintball to combat and compared toys that fire paint to firearms.
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No, I didn't and your lying strawman isn't going to change that fact.
 
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