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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

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Goshin said:
Given the hysterics I see on DP, I'd have to disagree.
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Relatively small political forums aren't indicative of much of anything. Not only is the scale positively minute, specialized and more importantly, anonymous forums such as these tend to attract the more ardent and "hysterical" folks like flies. Society in general, seems to be carrying on just fine.
 
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any issue that has the country so divided should not be settled by executive order. seems like they are floating the idea. my opinion is that the chances are very low that the EO idea actually reaches fruition. this is the administration putting chips on the table to indicate resolve on the issue.

should a gun control measure be passed by EO, the Democrats will face real challenges in upcoming elections. if I were a strategist, I would have strongly advised against even floating this idea. it harms the president's position more than it helps, because it plays into the opposition's stereotype, thereby giving them traction.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Considering that a lot of "gun enthusiasts" tend to think that anything that doesn't conform to their very strict, limited interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect that many of you will decide he violated the Constitution even if he didn't.

In any case, if you guys decide to go crazy and become the criminals you guys claim you need weapons to defend yourselves against, it might actually be better for everyone else since all of you would be taken to jail and taken out of the voting pool. Hell, I've got my passport, so I don't mind leaving the country for a bit until things settle down.
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TPD, I am very sincere when I say I hope it doesn't come down to something like that. In my middle years I've come to value peace and despise strife, and I don't want to see my country torn by violence.

However, I know a lot of gun owners. I know a lot of gun owners who are very seriously considering whether "that time has come". A good many of them are former military and have some pretty scary skills and capabilities.

If even 1% of them decide the time has come to draw that line and go to war, you might be waiting a long time for things to "settle down", and the end result may not be as foregone as you assume.

I will assert again that I am very sincere in hoping Obama doesn't do anything that is going to set off the hotheads and maybe cause and "American Spring".
 
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a351 said:
Relatively small political forums aren't indicative of much of anything. Not only is the scale positively minute, specialized and more importantly, anonymous forums such as these tend to attract the more ardent and "hysterical" folks like flies. Society in general, seems to be carrying on just fine.
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My "sampling" of the population is not limited to DP or the Internet, and I'm not sure I can agree with you that all is "bidness as usual".
 
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Helix said:
any issue that has the country so divided should not be settled by executive order. seems like they are floating the idea. my opinion is that the

should a gun control measure be passed by EO, the Democrats will face real challenges in upcoming elections.
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The insurmountable division that this issue brings to the table is the very reason that an Executive order may be in the cards here.

Doubt it. The vast majority of those who would consider abandoning party loyalty in response to such a motion wouldn't find themselves in the Democratic corner to begin with.
 
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Goshin said:
This is just speculation, but I'd guess that is because you don't particularly care if an anti-gun Obama EO was strictly Constitutional or not. Perhaps I'm wrong, but lately I do get that impression.
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You are wrong. Not making kneejerk, emotional reactions about simple tools is not the same thing as not caring. Believing in letting the process set up by our founding fathers run it's course is not the same thing as not caring.

Pardon me if I am a bit more concerned about the erosion of a fundamental right, though an autocratic method that is going to go over like farts in church.
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You have not even seen an erosion of any rights. It's funny how you only get all emotional about this one right...
 
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Redress said:
You are wrong. Not making kneejerk, emotional reactions about simple tools is not the same thing as not caring. Believing in letting the process set up by our founding fathers run it's course is not the same thing as not caring.



You have not even seen an erosion of any rights. It's funny how you only get all emotional about this one right...
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Not making kneejerk emotional reactions to a tragedy, is something I've been advocating all along.

I cannot lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that gives the President, alone by Executive Order, the right to modify or limit part of the Bill of Rights.

And your last statement is in error. I have seen a lot of erosion of rights, not just the 2A, and that isn't the only thing I am passionate about though I admit it is ONE of my biggest issues yes.
 
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There are very few things President Obama could do legally with an Executive Order. Not that he has shown any concern for what he is legally allowed to do with an EO thus far. He could ban the importation of any firearms, firearm parts, and ammunition with an EO. He cannot legally make a new law, but I would not put it past him to try as he has done so in the past.

Look for some sketchy EO that refers to the EPA and ammunition or tries to re-classify firearms into another class of firearm, which would not stand the smell test.
 
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a351 said:
The insurmountable division that this issue brings to the table is the very reason that an Executive order may be in the cards here.

Doubt it. The vast majority of those who would consider abandoning party loyalty in response to such a motion wouldn't find themselves in the Democratic corner to begin with.
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if the goal is new gun legislation, this is a sure sign that whoever decided it was a good idea to float the EO that is never going to happen has not read The Art of War.
 
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Diogenes said:
If you think there was a mass outcry for it, just wait until he tries to pull it off. Like the song says, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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A more vocal minority is still a minority. The tide favors the majority.
 
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iguanaman said:
A vocal minority is still a minority.
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Part of our legal and political system is the protection of minorities from having their rights trampled by the majority.


Also, the American Revolution was still very much a tiny-minority movement at the time of Lexington and Concord. 3% by some scholars estimates.
 
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Goshin said:
Part of our legal and political system is the protection of minorities from having their rights trampled by the majority.


Also, the American Revolution was still very much a tiny-minority movement at the time of Lexington and Concord. 3% by some scholars estimates.
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Who protects the rights of the majority not to be shot by an avalanche of guns they don't want or need?

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iguanaman said:
who protects the rights of the majority not to be shot by an avalanche of guns they don't want or need?
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Nato?


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iguanaman said:
Who protects the rights of the majority not to be shot by an avalanche of guns they don't want or need?
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Ultimately, your own personal safety is largely your own responsibility. The Supremes have ruled that the police have no duty to protect you.

Given that disarming criminals is a pipe dream, this is yet another reason to support the 2A.

But if you don't like it, I hear Canada is nice this time of year... :mrgreen:
 
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Get your pitchforks ready...
 
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Goshin said:
Part of our legal and political system is the protection of minorities from having their rights trampled by the majority.
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Dying at this considering your stance on same-sex marriage.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Dying at this considering your stance on same-sex marriage.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I have posted more than once in recent months, that my position on that has changed slightly. I no longer actively oppose it, even though I have personal reservations.
 
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Yeah, get back to me when you have something other than 'The Weekly Standard'.
 
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Goshin said:
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I have posted more than once in recent months, that my position on that has changed slightly. I no longer actively oppose it, even though I have personal reservations.
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You don't "actively" oppose it, so does that mean you passively(?) oppose it? In any case, if you still oppose it, invoking the the minority/minority argument to support your position remains ironic.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You don't "actively" oppose it, so does that mean you passively(?) oppose it? In any case, if you still oppose it, invoking the the minority/minority argument to support your position remains ironic.
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It means I no longer consider it as an issue when selecting candidates to vote for.

As you wish. I could call it ironic that you support certain minority rights vigorously but others maybe not so much? But whatever. :shrug:
 
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I doubt there is much he could do other than order stepped up enforcement of existing laws, more investigations, etc. Anything beyond that would get an expedited review to the SCOTUS and hand Obama a major humiliation as he tries to build his legacy.
 
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Goshin said:
It means I no longer consider it as an issue when selecting candidates to vote for.

As you wish. I could call it ironic that you support certain minority rights vigorously but others maybe not so much? But whatever. :shrug:
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You can call your perception of me whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that when you have said that gay rights are no big deal since gays are a tiny minority (I'm fairly sure you said this after your conversion) and then you invoke that minority/majority argument, it's ironic and hilarious.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You can call your perception of me whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that when you have said that gay rights are no big deal since gays are a tiny minority (I'm fairly sure you said this after your conversion) and then you invoke that minority/majority argument, it's ironic and hilarious.
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So my assertion that I will no longer stand in your way politically on this issue means nothing then? You demand full acceptance, agreement and active support or nothing perhaps? I must bow down and swear fealty to your cause or I'm a hypocrite? Will the Thought Police come and get me because one issue is more important to me than another issue?

Apparently there is plenty of irony and hypocrisy to go around.
 
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