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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...

Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.
 
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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard


That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...

Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.

If he goes that route he's gonna have to do something minor.

The pres ain't banning all guns via executive order. That would be called Revolution 2.0
 
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That damn constitution is such a pain in the ass anyway.

Lets just use the executive order to pass law!
 
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Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.

That was my first thought.

My second was "well, here we go; this is the point at which the decent citizenry begins to actively disobey the law"

My third thought was "nah, this will never pass constitutional muster".


Now I"m thinking, maybe I should go join the oath keepers....
 
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Biden: Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard



That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...

Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.

A year ago this would have been a conspiracy theory since there was no evidence to support it. No one cvould have predicted the mass outcry by the public for something like this. Being right one time in a million is not something to take pride in.
 
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Now that the Conservatives can dance around a mass murder and declare I told you Obama will do some anti-'gun' actions i guess some are taking smug satisfaction.

I don't seem to recall a great deal of calls to join the peacekeepers, protect the Constitution or some such when BushII worked his magic with executive orders and his signings basically exempting him from the bills he signed.

But this is now, I'd say lets wait until we see the whites of their eyes before going off half cocked.

Last term several senators declared much the same thing after a 'special' meeting with the President.

I think any 'gun-nut' who thinks nothing will be done isn't in this reality, there are Republican politicians calling for restrictions on some sales and some magazines.

People want something done.

But we shall see what actually is done.
 
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Now that the Conservatives can dance around a mass murder and declare I told you Obama will do some anti-'gun' actions i guess some are taking smug satisfaction.

I don't seem to recall a great deal of calls to join the peacekeepers, protect the Constitution or some such when BushII worked his magic with executive orders and his signings basically exempting him from the bills he signed.

But this is now, I'd say lets wait until we see the whites of their eyes before going off half cocked.

Last term several senators declared much the same thing after a 'special' meeting with the President.

I think any 'gun-nut' who thinks nothing will be done isn't in this reality, there are Republican politicians calling for restrictions on some sales and some magazines.

People want something done.

But we shall see what actually is done.

I agree with you. But it is a clear example of "never let a good crisis go to waste," as it is my understanding that automatic weapons didn't even play a part in the incident that's led us here.
 
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That was my first thought.

My second was "well, here we go; this is the point at which the decent citizenry begins to actively disobey the law"

My third thought was "nah, this will never pass constitutional muster".


Now I"m thinking, maybe I should go join the oath keepers....



Obama had better be mighty careful with that... there's a lot of us who will flat refuse to obey an Executive Order than violates the Constitution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping he doesn't do something ill-considered that provokes something drastic... but that EO could easily create tens of thousands of Tim McVeigh's ready to declare armed revolt.

I very very sincerely hope it does not come to that, but I will admit I'm beginning to worry.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

A year ago this would have been a conspiracy theory since there was no evidence to support it. No one cvould have predicted the mass outcry by the public for something like this. Being right one time in a million is not something to take pride in.

If you think there was a mass outcry for it, just wait until he tries to pull it off. Like the song says, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
 
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I agree with you. But it is a clear example of "never let a good crisis go to waste," as it is my understanding that automatic weapons didn't even play a part in the incident that's led us here.

So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.
 
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But this is now, I'd say lets wait until we see the whites of their eyes before going off half cocked.

The administration has a monopoly on "half cocked" for now.
 
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Obama had better be mighty careful with that... there's a lot of us who will flat refuse to obey an Executive Order than violates the Constitution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping he doesn't do something ill-considered that provokes something drastic... but that EO could easily create tens of thousands of Tim McVeigh's ready to declare armed revolt.

I very very sincerely hope it does not come to that, but I will admit I'm beginning to worry.

Jumping to conclusions already? Your experience in constitutional law is what?
 
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I'd prefer to avoid using legislation, let alone the dubious mechanism of Executive Orders, to make any major changes in our laws and traditions during a time of mass hysteria.
 
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So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.

Unfortunately a majority of the country disagrees with you. Otherwise Obama would not have been reelected.
 
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Jumping to conclusions already? Your experience in constitutional law is what?


My training in Constitutional law was quite modest... we had a class on it at the Police Academy. What was yours?
 
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My training in Constitutional law was quite modest... we had a class on it at the Police Academy. What was yours?

Interesting, so not only are you jumping to conclusions, you are unqualified to judge based on the law itself. Well done!
 
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Interesting, so not only are you jumping to conclusions, you are unqualified to judge based on the law itself. Well done!


I guess those of the Founders who were not lawyers were unqualified to judge when their rights were being trampled too, huh? :roll:




You didn't answer my question.
 
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I guess those of the Founders who were not lawyers were unqualified to judge when their rights were being trampled too, huh? :roll:




You didn't answer my question.

They are not the ones threatening to break the law if they don't like it, you are.
 
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I'd prefer to avoid using legislation, let alone the dubious mechanism of Executive Orders, to make any major changes in our laws and traditions during a time of mass hysteria.
I'd also hesitate to label the current political and social climate as "mass hysteria."
 
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They are not the ones threatening to break the law if they don't like it, you are.


Nice dodge, but no cigar. The founders committed treason against Britain, according to the existing laws in place at the time.


You still haven't answered my question. I admitted honestly that my formal training in Constitutional law was limited to one class. What was yours?
 
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I'd also hesitate to label the current political and social climate as "mass hysteria."



Given the hysterics I see on DP, I'd have to disagree.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Nice dodge, but no cigar. The founders committed treason against Britain, according to the existing laws in place at the time.

Yes, but we are not talking about British law are we?


You still haven't answered my question. I admitted honestly that my formal training in Constitutional law was limited to one class. What was yours?

Have I made any claims about constitutionality? That was you...
 
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So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.

In my opinion, that is not the point. (It's crises, by the way.)
 
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Yes, but we are not talking about British law are we?




Have I made any claims about constitutionality? That was you...


This is just speculation, but I'd guess that is because you don't particularly care if an anti-gun Obama EO was strictly Constitutional or not. Perhaps I'm wrong, but lately I do get that impression.

Pardon me if I am a bit more concerned about the erosion of a fundamental right, though an autocratic method that is going to go over like farts in church.
 
Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

Obama had better be mighty careful with that... there's a lot of us who will flat refuse to obey an Executive Order than violates the Constitution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping he doesn't do something ill-considered that provokes something drastic... but that EO could easily create tens of thousands of Tim McVeigh's ready to declare armed revolt.

I very very sincerely hope it does not come to that, but I will admit I'm beginning to worry.
Considering that a lot of "gun enthusiasts" tend to think that anything that doesn't conform to their very strict, limited interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect that many of you will decide he violated the Constitution even if he didn't.

In any case, if you guys decide to go crazy and become the criminals you guys claim you need weapons to defend yourselves against, it might actually be better for everyone else since all of you would be taken to jail and taken out of the voting pool. Hell, I've got my passport, so I don't mind leaving the country for a bit until things settle down.
 
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