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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Just for Boo.....



    You're welcome....
    I matched with the opposite opinion earlier.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Chiefs vs. sheriffs

    The divide reflects a cultural and political gulf between police chiefs and sheriffs in a number of areas, criminal justice experts told NBC News.

    Police chiefs run departments in cities where most gun crimes take place, according to FBI crime statistics over the past decade. Sheriffs run departments in counties, some or all of their jurisdictions covering rural areas where hunting and sport shooting are cherished rights. As a result, "you have these wildly different views of guns," said Gary Kleck, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee.

    Police chiefs, sheriffs divided over gun control measures - U.S. News

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Chiefs vs. sheriffs

    The divide reflects a cultural and political gulf between police chiefs and sheriffs in a number of areas, criminal justice experts told NBC News.

    Police chiefs run departments in cities where most gun crimes take place, according to FBI crime statistics over the past decade. Sheriffs run departments in counties, some or all of their jurisdictions covering rural areas where hunting and sport shooting are cherished rights. As a result, "you have these wildly different views of guns," said Gary Kleck, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee.

    Police chiefs, sheriffs divided over gun control measures - U.S. News

    Which is complete nonsense. Trying to equivocate using an absurd, and non blanket description of the differences between sheriff's depts, and city police depts is not only wrong, but ridiculous. I am quite sure that the Milwaukee county sheriff's dept encompasses Milwaukee city within its jurisdiction. Just as the Baltimore county sheriff also covers Balto city, and Dade county sheriff covers Miami, and so on....This Sheriff makes a valid case, and you think you counter it with some egg heads opinion that doesn't seem to know how jurisdictions work, or if he does he is being dishonest purposely to cloud the situation? pfft....Yeah, try again.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Which is complete nonsense. Trying to equivocate using an absurd, and non blanket description of the differences between sheriff's depts, and city police depts is not only wrong, but ridiculous. I am quite sure that the Milwaukee county sheriff's dept encompasses Milwaukee city within its jurisdiction. Just as the Baltimore county sheriff also covers Balto city, and Dade county sheriff covers Miami, and so on....This Sheriff makes a valid case, and you think you counter it with some egg heads opinion that doesn't seem to know how jurisdictions work, or if he does he is being dishonest purposely to cloud the situation? pfft....Yeah, try again.
    It's more about urban versus rural, and across the board, civilian and law enforcement, there is a difference between the two in terms of majority opinion. Notice how you see your opinion echoed as valid, and an opposing opinion as something you throw a name at.

    No one is disputing jurisdictions btw.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's more about urban versus rural
    Yes, and I am saying that your characterization of what the Sheriff I showed as being some kind of bumpkin rural LEO, that doesn't know, nor speak to the concerns of inner city enforcement is bogus, and a false premise.

    and across the board, civilian and law enforcement, there is a difference between the two in terms of majority opinion.
    No, that is dishonest. We were not talking about Civilian v. Law Enforcement in terms of opinion. This is you moving the goalposts.

    Notice how you see your opinion echoed as valid, and an opposing opinion as something you throw a name at.
    When the opposing opinion is furthering a dishonest distinction to lie about the issue, then yes he deserves a name.

    No one is disputing jurisdictions btw.
    Oh, I believe this professor is when he frames his argument in the false way he does.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and I am saying that your characterization of what the Sheriff I showed as being some kind of bumpkin rural LEO, that doesn't know, nor speak to the concerns of inner city enforcement is bogus, and a false premise.



    No, that is dishonest. We were not talking about Civilian v. Law Enforcement in terms of opinion. This is you moving the goalposts.



    When the opposing opinion is furthering a dishonest distinction to lie about the issue, then yes he deserves a name.



    Oh, I believe this professor is when he frames his argument in the false way he does.
    You sure project a lot. I didn't characterize him at all?

    Nor did I say civilian versus law enforcement. I said across the board regardless of which group we're talking about.

    And, your opposition is not lying. Those police officer who give an opinion you don't like cant be called liars. Wrong.

    And, no, he is not disputing jurisdictions. He's only making the distinction between rural and urban. It is only about different views due to different circumstances.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You sure project a lot.
    What ever Joe, Who's name calling now?

    I didn't characterize him at all?
    Oh I am sorry....When you posted the article from US News, that was characterizing a distinction between Sheriff's, and Urban Law Enforcement, as being "culturally, and politically" different, I assumed that the reason you posted it was because you agreed with the article...Was I wrong?

    Nor did I say civilian versus law enforcement. I said across the board regardless of which group we're talking about.
    And I highlighted a LEO that was contraindicated to the premise you were advancing. Strange how all you can do now in the face of that is turn your focus on me, rather than the topic.

    And, no, he is not disputing jurisdictions. He's only making the distinction between rural and urban. It is only about different views due to different circumstances.
    And I gave you at least three examples where that premise is laughably inaccurate, and only furthered to dishonestly promote that Sheriff's in favor of 2nd amendment rights are somehow catering to hunters, or some other political consideration (the implication is conservative). It is wrong.

    In fact upon thinking about it further, I don't think that there is a Sheriff's dept. that doesn't have jurisdiction in a major city if that city is in their county....So, instead of cherry picking some city chief appointee from a liberal mayor, or some professor that tries to pontificate using deceptive language for political consideration that you agree with, stick to the example of what the sheriff said....He sees his dept stretched thin, and response times lengthened, therefore rightly informs people in his county that the first line of defense to protect themselves, and their property.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What ever Joe, Who's name calling now?



    Oh I am sorry....When you posted the article from US News, that was characterizing a distinction between Sheriff's, and Urban Law Enforcement, as being "culturally, and politically" different, I assumed that the reason you posted it was because you agreed with the article...Was I wrong?



    And I highlighted a LEO that was contraindicated to the premise you were advancing. Strange how all you can do now in the face of that is turn your focus on me, rather than the topic.



    And I gave you at least three examples where that premise is laughably inaccurate, and only furthered to dishonestly promote that Sheriff's in favor of 2nd amendment rights are somehow catering to hunters, or some other political consideration (the implication is conservative). It is wrong.

    In fact upon thinking about it further, I don't think that there is a Sheriff's dept. that doesn't have jurisdiction in a major city if that city is in their county....So, instead of cherry picking some city chief appointee from a liberal mayor, or some professor that tries to pontificate using deceptive language for political consideration that you agree with, stick to the example of what the sheriff said....He sees his dept stretched thin, and response times lengthened, therefore rightly informs people in his county that the first line of defense to protect themselves, and their property.
    Noting you we're wrong is not name calling j. Nor does being culturally and politically different isn't calling anyone a bumpkin. Being different doesn't make either one bad. So, yes, you are wildly wrong about a few things here.

    J, you turned the focus on you by getting what was said wrong. I corrected you, and instead of addressing the correct point, you think I'm turning the docs on you?

    J, I've showed more than one in many cases, from different parts of the country. You have a ways to go before you catch up with my number. You get forgetful of past posts sometimes. And the difference between rural and urban still stands.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Noting you we're wrong is not name calling j. Nor does being culturally and politically different isn't calling anyone a bumpkin. Being different doesn't make either one bad. So, yes, you are wildly wrong about a few things here.

    J, you turned the focus on you by getting what was said wrong. I corrected you, and instead of addressing the correct point, you think I'm turning the docs on you?

    J, I've showed more than one in many cases, from different parts of the country. You have a ways to go before you catch up with my number. You get forgetful of past posts sometimes. And the difference between rural and urban still stands.

    Well, I didn't realize that the number of your side v. my side was the determination of who is right....Seems rather childish if you ask me...What I forget or don't is irrelevant here, and the fact remains that Sheriff's depts. have jurisdiction in most, if not all major cities. And this particular sheriff was expressing a widely held belief in the LE community regardless of what your examples of city police chief's say.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I didn't realize that the number of your side v. my side was the determination of who is right....Seems rather childish if you ask me...What I forget or don't is irrelevant here, and the fact remains that Sheriff's depts. have jurisdiction in most, if not all major cities. And this particular sheriff was expressing a widely held belief in the LE community regardless of what your examples of city police chief's say.
    Nit saying that either. You brought up number, not me. Again, jurisdiction is not the issue. It's rural versus urban.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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