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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No fear and hyperbole.

    If you remove suicide and killing friends and family (accidentally or otherwise) citizens use guns even less, face even less gun need situations, and have no obligation to tackle any if the dangerous situations police do.
    So in essence, you have decided to place more value on the lives of gun crime victims than on responsible adults that have used them for self defense. You believe in the zebra version of self defense. A crocodile can only eat one of us, as long as it isn't me, i'm OK with it. You fear the sheepdog more than you fear the wolf. And BTW, if you do not feel you do not have the obligation to help, that is the biggest difference between us. I feel I do have an obligation because I understand exactly what the limitations and capabilities of law enforcement are. A lot of friends and co workers (law enforcement) have said the same thing. They are historians with guns.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    So in essence, you have decided to place more value on the lives of gun crime victims than on responsible adults that have used them for self defense. You believe in the zebra version of self defense. A crocodile can only eat one of us, as long as it isn't me, i'm OK with it. You fear the sheepdog more than you fear the wolf. And BTW, if you do not feel you do not have the obligation to help, that is the biggest difference between us. I feel I do have an obligation because I understand exactly what the limitations and capabilities of law enforcement are. A lot of friends and co workers (law enforcement) have said the same thing. They are historians with guns.
    I've said nothing like that. Not a single thing. You still have the right to have a weapon.

    Btw, I also ave friends in law enforcement. Work with a fellow who trains police officers in self defense, and we work together in this program. I've talked to a lot f police officers local and nationally, and I've even posted posted a few things you can find on a search. They largely up port what I'm saying, as do the objective numbers I mentioned above. This is not about whether you can have a gun to protect yourself, but whether you face the same challenges as police officers.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've said nothing like that. Not a single thing. You still have the right to have a weapon.

    Btw, I also ave friends in law enforcement. Work with a fellow who trains police officers in self defense, and we work together in this program. I've talked to a lot f police officers local and nationally, and I've even posted posted a few things you can find on a search. They largely up port what I'm saying, as do the objective numbers I mentioned above. This is not about whether you can have a gun to protect yourself, but whether you face the same challenges as police officers.
    So then why not allow me to decide which tools best suit me to meet my obligation? What exactly do you fear/question?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    So then why not allow me to decide which tools best suit me to meet my obligation? What exactly do you fear/question?
    Would you suggest there is to be no limitations on your choice?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Would you suggest there is to be no limitations on your choice?
    Absolutely. I should have the choice to use whatever weapons the typical police officer has to choose from.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.
    If that were true, liberals would have banned automobiles long ago and continued to support prohibition.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    If that were true, liberals would have banned automobiles long ago and continued to support prohibition.
    Wrong, and why does this have nothing whatsoever to do with what I said?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've said nothing like that. Not a single thing. You still have the right to have a weapon.

    Btw, I also ave friends in law enforcement. Work with a fellow who trains police officers in self defense, and we work together in this program. I've talked to a lot f police officers local and nationally, and I've even posted posted a few things you can find on a search. They largely up port what I'm saying, as do the objective numbers I mentioned above. This is not about whether you can have a gun to protect yourself, but whether you face the same challenges as police officers.

    The problem with this argument is a couple of logical fallacies, one of which being appeal to authority. No one disagrees that a law enforcement officer faces challenges that most suburban, middle class citizenry don't. One factor is that LEO's are tasked with putting themselves in 'high risk' situations, in order to do their jobs. However, with the expansion of the inner cities migrating outward into the suburbs along with it comes the crime associated with the inner cities. Police are often out manned, and under equipped to handle the increase in crime, and often warn that Police are not there to actually prevent crime from happening, but rather to investigate, and bring to justice after the incident the perpetrator of said crime. It is for that reason that we have the right, not granted by man, but inherent to protect ourselves, our families, and our property. If you think you can do that without a firearm, more power to you. But the argument that I, a legal citizen, that follow's the law, and doesn't commit crime shouldn't have a gun because you don't think I need it, is laughable, and should be ignored.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong, and why does this have nothing whatsoever to do with what I said?
    There have been many more deaths involving alcohol and automobiles than mass shootings with guns. But liberals love their cars and alcohol.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    There have been many more deaths involving alcohol and automobiles than mass shootings with guns. But liberals love their cars and alcohol.
    Which still has nothing to do with what I said or the gun control debate for that matter. Inane references to things that have nothing to do with the topic are not really relevant.
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