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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't seem like a major restriction to me. Hunting won't really be effected, and I don't think self defense will either.
    more silliness

    if we have less than the cops do then we are restricted. and there is no evidence the restrictions will do anything other than set a precedent for further restrictions like NYS

    and where do you get off telling people what they need?



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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more silliness

    if we have less than the cops do then we are restricted. and there is no evidence the restrictions will do anything other than set a precedent for further restrictions like NYS

    and where do you get off telling people what they need?
    Nonsense. Sounds like you learned a new talking point and can't shake the script. You don't have the same job or responsibility as cops. I'm sorry, but you have not effectively answered my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You don't need a gun to not be a victim. That's your first mistake. Like I said, our love affair with guns takes on an almost magical element when too many believe the tool is a solution to all problems.
    No, but it is the great equalizer in that with a gun an 80+ year old frail woman could stand almost equal chance against even a trained killer.

    Next, no, not a solution to all problems, However, guns do serve mainly as a deterrent to crime, mostly the crimes we encounter on the streets, next to deter the crime of invasion, and finally it deters a president from becoming a dictator. Though the main use for the legitimate owner will be either hunting or target practice.

    The only thing you can bring up are the exceptions and gang violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nonsense. Sounds like you learned a new talking point and can't shake the script. You don't have the same job or responsibility as cops. I'm sorry, but you have not effectively answered my point.
    No, not the same as a cop in that you won't be getting any search warrants for yourself, but if you see a crime in the act you have the capacity to place the person under arrest. (there are precautions though, ex; you can't use any more force than what it takes to subdue the person)

    Though, as a society we delegate that responsibility to uniform police.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, but it is the great equalizer in that with a gun an 80+ year old frail woman could stand almost equal chance against even a trained killer.

    Next, no, not a solution to all problems, However, guns do serve mainly as a deterrent to crime, mostly the crimes we encounter on the streets, next to deter the crime of invasion, and finally it deters a president from becoming a dictator. Though the main use for the legitimate owner will be either hunting or target practice.

    The only thing you can bring up are the exceptions and gang violence.
    Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could. As once proved to my brother in law, the advantage I would have knowing I was coming would be too great from him to overcome. Nor do they deter crime as they are largely not known who has and hasn't.

    And no, I have brought up the factual statistics. But realize, no one is losing the right to hunt or target practice. No one is even not allowing you to carry a weapon for self defense. Guns have not been universally banned.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, not the same as a cop in that you won't be getting any search warrants for yourself, but if you see a crime in the act you have the capacity to place the person under arrest. (there are precautions though, ex; you can't use any more force than what it takes to subdue the person)

    Though, as a society we delegate that responsibility to uniform police.
    The general public, local businesses, and such don't call your house and ask you to deal with dangerous issues. Sorry, but it's not even a close call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could. As once proved to my brother in law, the advantage I would have knowing I was coming would be too great from him to overcome. Nor do they deter crime as they are largely not known who has and hasn't.
    Still, better odds than if the person was sitting there defenseless, and that's the point...

    The deterrence comes from having to weigh the odds that their crime will see resistance... I don't have the stats, but I'm sure that rural texas has a minute fraction of the home invasions as you'll see in Chicago... I live in a heavily armed area, and home invasions are almost unheard of here as well.

    The fewer people are armed, the less of a deterrent effect is created.

    Now, since obama, the worlds greatest gun salesmen was elected, had made a surge in gun sales, and over that time there's been between 20-40% drop in different crime stats, that's according to FBI stats.

    And no, I have brought up the factual statistics. But realize, no one is losing the right to hunt or target practice. No one is even not allowing you to carry a weapon for self defense. Guns have not been universally banned.
    No, this was more like when smokers got pushed into the sealed smoking sections of restaurants.

    Next is to push them outside, then down the street and so on....

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your example is also false. She must be able to get the gun out and use it effectively. It is unlikely that she could.
    What like this 71 year old man vs two teens/twentysomethings?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Still, better odds than if the person was sitting there defenseless, and that's the point...

    The deterrence comes from having to weigh the odds that their crime will see resistance... I don't have the stats, but I'm sure that rural texas has a minute fraction of the home invasions as you'll see in Chicago... I live in a heavily armed area, and home invasions are almost unheard of here as well.

    The fewer people are armed, the less of a deterrent effect is created.

    Now, since obama, the worlds greatest gun salesmen was elected, had made a surge in gun sales, and over that time there's been between 20-40% drop in different crime stats, that's according to FBI stats.



    No, this was more like when smokers got pushed into the sealed smoking sections of restaurants.

    Next is to push them outside, then down the street and so on....
    I'm not sure nothing from nothing is better odds. But when you add on the likelihood that she may shoot herself or someone else accidentally, well, not sure if its really worth it.

    Nor is it quite like smokers. There is virtually no chance the law will allow guns to be banned.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    What like this 71 year old man vs two teens/twentysomethings?
    Very different situation, but even here, he fires a lot. what is the risk one of those shots could have hit someone not a criminal?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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