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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The digs improve without the stats that I'd be more likely to shoot myself, or a family member, or any number if things that wrong.

    Again, history isn't the issue. You can only learn if your right interpret it and the spin you want to be true. I suggest you have it wrong, and have bought into the propaganda.
    You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

    The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

    Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

    Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

    The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

    Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

    Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.
    Japan also has a much higher suicide rate than we do and (at least in a study I read about 12 years ago) Japanese living in the USA had lower rates of gun violence than their cousins and relatives still living in JAPAN



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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Oh gad.. does anyone who has finished HS read Ayn Rand?
    High school was a waste of my time, as was my repetition with my liberal arts degree.

    Ayn Rand is a good read as is Karl Marx...

    I am a libertarian but not influenced or corrupted. I adhere to these ideologies on my own volition. I'm not a product of your stupid society - nor do I feel the need to partake in your Orwellian petri dish of loony nonsense.

    Understand that?

    BTW, I have a GED.... What you call a "public school" was too remedial for me.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Try treason...
    Okay, let's.
    Please make the case that Obama has committed treason.

    This may help

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C115.txt
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You use a piece of known false propaganda to lecture me about how I've bought into propaganda?!?

    The reality is that you are making a useless distinction in saying "gun murders", since where there are fewer guns there's usually a higher overall murder rate, Japan is almost the only exception where the country is virtually disarmed with a very low crime rate.

    Mexico on the other hand, is completely disarmed civilians and sees about 40-60 thousand killed per year.

    Or look at Britain, your side proclaims them as the ideal, disarmed with very little gun crime, but there has been an overall surge in violent crime, which was concealed for years while their government only counted CONVICTIONS of violent crimes, not REPORTED violent crime.
    I do nothing of the kind. I use an objective fact. Numbers are numbers, nothing more. So, yes, I lecture you, and not knowing the difference is one reason why.

    And the numbers you're using both ways assumes guns to be the only factor. I don't make that causal relationship error. Nor have I really mentioned murder at all. Also know, you may be reading propaganda on Britain and not actual numbers or any reasonable comparison. but, that would depend on what you're basing your opinion on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do nothing of the kind. I use an objective fact. Numbers are numbers, nothing more. So, yes, I lecture you, and not knowing the difference is one reason why.
    Unfortunately, the facts you mentioned were from a study that was very flawed...

    And the numbers you're using both ways assumes guns to be the only factor. I don't make that causal relationship error. Nor have I really mentioned murder at all. Also know, you may be reading propaganda on Britain and not actual numbers or any reasonable comparison. but, that would depend on what you're basing your opinion on.
    So, wait, guns are not the only factors of the problem, but limiting guns is the only solution you will look at?!?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Unfortunately, the facts you mentioned were from a study that was very flawed...



    So, wait, guns are not the only factors of the problem, but limiting guns is the only solution you will look at?!?
    No, you either have the wrong numbers, or you're reading some flawed koolaid.

    And you don't have to be the only factor to be a factor. It's not all one or the other. But the issue is not one of safety entirely, but whether there can be limitations. I believe that precedence has already been set. The only question is where the line is.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The digs improve without the stats that I'd be more likely to shoot myself, or a family member, or any number if things that wrong.
    Wrong, the Kellerman studied was flawed and completely discredited.

    Critics of Kellermann's 1993 paper responded with a number of objections: (e.g. the guns/homicide association could simply reflect the fact that people already at risk of homicide are more likely to acquire guns for self-protection; the study population was urban and therefore higher risk in general, compared to suburban or rural areas), and (e.g. that members of rival gangs were tabulated as "family member or intimate acquaintance"; that the data was cherry-picked).
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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you either have the wrong numbers, or you're reading some flawed koolaid.

    And you don't have to be the only factor to be a factor. It's not all one or the other. But the issue is not one of safety entirely, but whether there can be limitations. I believe that precedence has already been set. The only question is where the line is.
    Oh that's even better... You're truth finally comes out.

    You don't want gun control for the kids, or safety, or to reduce crime and murders.... You finally want that you want control of guns for the sake of controlling guns.

    Seriously, why else would you be focused on one issue that will have no impact, in the best case, and reflects only a small portion of te overall problem of violence in society??

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Dammitboy! View Post
    Wrong, the Kellerman studied was flawed and completely discredited.



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    Your bull**** don't fly.
    I'm afraid that doesn't do it. It merely excuses the numbers and not dispute the numbers. The question is not why, but whether the numbers are correct.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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