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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    laughs as usual you said nothing at all .... do you deny that gun deaths in the US have been dropping in past years ??? Do you deny that drug related deaths in the US have been on the rise in the past years ???

    36,000 deaths by drugs .... 9,000 death by guns .... which problem seems to be bigger to you ??
    I dispute that either is meaningful in the way you present it. One needless death is wrong no matter how many other needless deaths you come up with. And we are not limited to tackling just one issue either.

    You also skipped the point altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I dispute that either is meaningful in the way you present it. One needless death is wrong no matter how many other needless deaths you come up with. And we are not limited to tackling just one issue either.

    You also skipped the point altogether.
    The point being is liberals aren’t concerned with the 36,000 deaths .. Shown in the fact that they want to legalize more drugs … . Adding to those death tolls ..

    Where as they are more concerned about 9000 deaths .. . That has been declining over the years .. To a point where everything else is being put on hold … and most liberals including yourself .. Want to start another war .. .a war on guns … do you in all honesty think it’s going to be any more effective .. Or less costly then the war on drugs ?

    Of course I don’t expect a reason answer from someone like you . . Because all you can do is hold onto the talking points of your liberal social values

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The point being is liberals aren’t concerned with the 36,000 deaths .. Shown in the fact that they want to legalize more drugs … . Adding to those death tolls ..

    Where as they are more concerned about 9000 deaths .. . That has been declining over the years .. To a point where everything else is being put on hold … and most liberals including yourself .. Want to start another war .. .a war on guns … do you in all honesty think it’s going to be any more effective .. Or less costly then the war on drugs ?

    Of course I don’t expect a reason answer from someone like you . . Because all you can do is hold onto the talking points of your liberal social values
    That's hogwash, just as the reverse would have been (your still missing the point).

    And I want no war at all. It is really important to pay attention.

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    Both the war on drugs, and the (imminent) war on guns will be failures.

    Prohibition never works.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The point being is liberals arenít concerned with the 36,000 deaths .. Shown in the fact that they want to legalize more drugs Ö . Adding to those death tolls ..

    Where as they are more concerned about 9000 deaths .. . That has been declining over the years .. To a point where everything else is being put on hold Ö and most liberals including yourself .. Want to start another war .. .a war on guns Ö do you in all honesty think itís going to be any more effective .. Or less costly then the war on drugs ?

    Of course I donít expect a reason answer from someone like you . . Because all you can do is hold onto the talking points of your liberal social values
    Was it the "liberal social values" that established an entire department (homeland security) in response to a relatively miniscule quantity of deaths (from terrorism)?

    It's not improper to respond to problems facing our nation. If we can fix something, we should. If we can prevent something, we should. We should act, but not overreact. And until folks on both side get closer to the middle, we're not going to have a productive argument, just Mr. Panic vs. Mr. Oblivious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Both the war on drugs, and the (imminent) war on guns will be failures.

    Prohibition never works.
    someone had a great post a few weeks ago-had some stoner chick and it said

    She smokes dope

    she thinks gun bans will disarm criminals

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    Firstly, this discussion is on gun control, not drugs. Secondly, governmental control of the distribution of guns has been proven to work in places like the UK. Also, just because there are deaths for other reasons than gun violence doesn't mean that it's an issue to overlook. The simple fact of the matter is that thousands of people a year are dying from a completely preventable cause, and this is only because a minority of the American people like to collect assault weapons.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by AcrosstheAisle View Post
    Firstly, this discussion is on gun control, not drugs. Secondly, governmental control of the distribution of guns has been proven to work in places like the UK. Also, just because there are deaths for other reasons than gun violence doesn't mean that it's an issue to overlook. The simple fact of the matter is that thousands of people a year are dying from a completely preventable cause, and this is only because a minority of the American people like to collect assault weapons.
    Moronic post alert. people collecting "assault weapons" are not the reasons why we have so many murders-mainly in areas where such weapons are not legal (BTW WTH is an assault weapon)

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    The murders and high crime rates in urban areas, specifically those concerning gun violence, are not directly related to gun collectors and the NRA. The point that I made in the last post was that criminals (which have nothing to do with them) can obtain these weapons because of the NRA's resistance to restrictions on the sale of guns. Since polls recently have shown that a majority of Americans support restrictions on the buying of guns (most specifically assault rifles), it seems that allowing this to go on is not in the public's interest.

    Also, it was important to the Founding Fathers to have a well-armed/regulated militia, hence the 2nd amendment. However, in today's time, we have an incredibly large, well-armed, and well-regulated military, rendering the idea of a militia useless. While I realize that hunting is very important to some Americans, it is with that I say to place restrictions on concealed guns and assault rifles since those contribute to it the homicide rates the most. There is more justification for owning a hunting rifle than an AR-15 or Walther P99. I believe that, from a societal standpoint, it would be beneficiary to place these restrictions.
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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Drugs have been the cause of death when both legal and illegal. But, a point here is conservatives suffer from the same inconsistency in reverse if we're going to deal with this stereotypically as opposed to arguments actually presented here.
    Yes, actually the number of people that die by legal drugs is somewhere around 250k per year, in other words your dr is more likely to (unintentionally) kill you than cancer.

    Next, you are around 80 times more likely to be saved by a gun owner than killed by one, and more than Half the time guns stop / prevent crime it's done without firing a shot.

    Yes, the left and right are both horribly corrupt and the vast majority in the house and congress have no concerns of the people they are intended to represent. Which, the left would never admit, is the stronger argument for a well armed society.

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