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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I dont know if you realize it, but those are exactly the arguments being made in England before they began implementing bans. Wether they are the same as us or not, there are a number of parallels and the implications are there if you arent blind to them.
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    A few (very few actually) talk ****. So? The fact remains they can only work within a certain framework. It's called the law. And when legislators have overstepped, the courts have put things back. There is virtually no likelihood or any real ban. So, while it might be discussion worthy to a point, only to a point, it doesn't warrant the hyperbolic panic many seem to project.
    Incrementalism. Every time there is a "ban" on a few weapons, it seems to get more vague and encompass more and more different types of guns. It wont be done by an outright ban, it will be done in small steps to avoid judicial and legislative pushback as well as pushback from citizens. I dont take your view that it cant be done, Im for preventing the incrementalism that walks towards it being done slowly.

    Your posts on the issue argue for it, while at the same time you deny it CAN happen with absolutely no support of this side of your argument, just that it cant happen. Its got a logical hole in it the size of a tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's hyperbole. And there is no talk of banning all guns. At worse, only an assault weapons ban.
    And what is the point of a fraudulent “assault weapon” ban? It is to ban some guns. There is no reason for it except as a step toward banning more guns, and eventually, banning all guns. There is no other purpose to it. Anyone who supports an “assault weapon” ban does so either out of extreme ignorance, or out of the hope and intent that it will lead to a ban on all firearms.

    Senator Feinstein herself as much as admitted this, when she authored the 1994 version. She stated on 60 Minutes that what she really wanted was a ban on all privately-held firearms; and that what she authored was the closest thing to that that she thought she could get away with in one step, at that time.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Semi-automatics didn't even exist when the 2nd Amendment was passed. So much for strict construction and originalism among gun advocates.
    Neither did radio, television, telephones, or the Internet. Yet the First Amendment protects your right to communicate over these media exactly the same as it protects your right to publish a newspaper or to stand on a soapbox and speak in the public square.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Today is the day when they announce martial law and the jack-booted federal storm troopers start kicking in our doors to confiscate our means to resist.
    Oh that I should have ever lived to see this day. Oh rue and rue and rue!

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And what is the point of a fraudulent “assault weapon” ban? It is to ban some guns. There is no reason for it except as a step toward banning more guns, and eventually, banning all guns. There is no other purpose to it. Anyone who supports an “assault weapon” ban does so either out of extreme ignorance, or out of the hope and intent that it will lead to a ban on all firearms.

    Senator Feinstein herself as much as admitted this, when she authored the 1994 version. She stated on 60 Minutes that what she really wanted was a ban on all privately-held firearms; and that what she authored was the closest thing to that that she thought she could get away with in one step, at that time.
    I covered that elsewhere. It may well help some with police not being out armed at times. The effect likely small, but real. And there is very little need for anyone to want such weapons. So, it is hardly a huge deal. You also read to much into the words of politicians. You'd do better to consider what is actually possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Just so you know, you are arguing against a strawman or your perception of what you think liberals believe. You certainly are not arguing against anything I said as I have never stated nor suggested we ban guns, nor do I believe guns should be banned. Though wI personally believe that having a gun in the home for security gives you nothing more than a false sense of security, but if it makes you sleep better at night, more power to you. I also don't believe in studded snow tires in Colorado, but some people think they are necessary. Neither are arguments I am terribly interested in.
    No, I'm sure youre a nice person that only reasonably prefers criminals to have an advantage over their victims.
    (that's not what you said, but that's an implication of what you are saying)


    I do believe we should ban extended clips and require background checks for ALL gun transactions. (People would be licensed to buy guns, getting the license after a background check... and sellers would be legally liable if they could not prove they saw the buyer's license). I know neither are a panacea, but I think in each case they have major benefit. I realize the violence issues at hand are very complex and I am not looking for one thing to fix it.... but, the gun constituency can concede those items.
    Unfortunately, the facts are against you... You must realize that guns have a deterrent effect that is undeniable, hell, more often then not crime deterred with guns (or other weapons) is done so without using the weapon.

    I've mentioned the story where I personally was about to be mugged ("guy wanting to show me a good deal in a back alley downtown"), showing the hammer in the bag I was carrying and asked him if he still wanted me in the back alley and he walked off.

    A gun is SUPPOSED TO BE SCARY, or else people would only respond once shot...

    Specifically though, minimize magazine size and you can just reload... Reloading can be performed in 5 seconds or less (maybe down to 1 second or less if you are trained).

    Controlling sales only increases a black market, and does NOTHING about the millions of guns that are already undocumented and circulating amongst criminals.

    I'll say it again, you decrease crime (you can't eliminate it) as you increase the numbers of people who are armed and trained in the use and responsibilities of firearm ownership.

    Prime example, switzerland, most guns and among the least crime.

    How are you gonna rob a bank when half your hostages will shoot when your back is turned??

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    That's if the other ten or so anti-gun bills don't pass obama will make an executive order...

    Just a note, this would have been called "conspiracy theory" just a year ago.
    Going to have to wait and see what he does. Unlike some of his other, imo, illegal Executive Orders, this one has money behind it to challenge it if he goes too far.

    But if he orders the FBI to start tracking crime committed with illegally acquired weapons vs legally acquired ones and has them hunt down the illegal sales, I would fully support that and I think it would be within the bounds of an Executive Order. Unfortunately, the left has a bad history of going after all guns instead of just the illegal ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And what is the point of a fraudulent “assault weapon” ban? It is to ban some guns. There is no reason for it except as a step toward banning more guns, and eventually, banning all guns. There is no other purpose to it. Anyone who supports an “assault weapon” ban does so either out of extreme ignorance, or out of the hope and intent that it will lead to a ban on all firearms.

    Senator Feinstein herself as much as admitted this, when she authored the 1994 version. She stated on 60 Minutes that what she really wanted was a ban on all privately-held firearms; and that what she authored was the closest thing to that that she thought she could get away with in one step, at that time.
    Yes, cause then Everytime there is a mass shooter you can just lobby to ban the next gun, reduce clip size, etc...

    Thing is there WILL BE more shootings regardless of any new laws... People can be violent and will pick up any weapon to act out on that violence...

    Most anti-gun people don't realize it that it's not even about the guns, it's about the control.

    However, there are those that understand its about control and feel they will benefit... To them I would recommend reading a history book. After disarmament, historically comes a purge, and those expecting to gain power through that control typically find themselves lined up against a wall staring down guns that weren't banned (soldiers weapons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Going to have to wait and see what he does. Unlike some of his other, imo, illegal Executive Orders, this one has money behind it to challenge it if he goes too far.

    But if he orders the FBI to start tracking crime committed with illegally acquired weapons vs legally acquired ones and has them hunt down the illegal sales, I would fully support that and I think it would be within the bounds of an Executive Order. Unfortunately, the left has a bad history of going after all guns instead of just the illegal ones.
    Ya, and you'll never find all the illegal guns until they are used in crime, or by fluke...

    Unless you're wanting to eliminate other rights to allow such tracking.

    So, of course it's just as important to go for all guns hoping the illegal ones will be dealt with afterwards.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, I know what they do, and it is not a big issue. It just isn't. Nor does your conclusion drawn make any sense. There are plenty of weapons that are not semi automatic. Many common folks own them.
    How many (legally) in New York or Chicago though?
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