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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? Lets see if we can help you out with that. 20 incidents in 13 years = 1.5 incidents a year. Divide that by the number of legal gun owners in this country and you have an average .000000000125 incidents to every law abiding citizen. Yes...that lust to ban weapons of ANY type based and ignoring the factual reality...that's what you call 'mass hysteria'. Meanwhile, liberals ignore the 20,000 or so deaths by all manner of violent means and ignore the perpetrators, choosing instead to pass laws specifically and only to target law abiding citizens. Why do you suppose that is?
    Ok, so you are saying events like Columbine, Newtown, Virginia Tech, etc, are acceptable collateral damage. An interesting viewpoint. An opinion to which are entitled.

    Here is a more complete list of US school shootings. They are running at a greater pace than 1.5 per year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

    Now, I assume that list doesn't sway your opinion at all, but just wanted to let you know that you find a far greater number of incidents per year acceptable than 1.5.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ok, so you are saying events like Columbine, Newtown, Virginia Tech, etc, are acceptable collateral damage. An interesting viewpoint. An opinion to which are entitled.
    Yep...I am saying that, especially when of the three you mentioned off the top of your head only 1 involved the types of weapons being discussed by anti-gun types for bans.

    Oh...you CAN of course keep going for the emotional appeal. Hey...I know..."for the children" lets ban cars. Do you know how many people are killed or maimed every year by people that INTENTIONALLY set out to drink and drive?

    Yes...using the bad actions of 1-2 individuals to attack 199,999,998 law abiding citizens is about as vile and corrupt a thing as I can imagine.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, exactly, in spite of the regulations and safety features, people are still dying at a far greater rate as a result of automobiles and we aren't even so much as talking about banning cars that can DOUBLE the speed limit with ease.


    There's crazy people everywhere behind the wheels of a car they can't be trusted... Maybe you should have to pass a psychological exam before driving.

    It's the same thing, you have the same rights to move as you do to defend yourself in the ways you see fit. (I don't even carry guns, though if I need I have quick access to a shotgun, but what I do have is this horrible tendency to "forget" to lock up my hammer or other tools when I leave work, which has protected me from being robbed downtown on at least one occasion).

    And yes, most gun deaths are deliberate... If you point it at someone you better damn well mean it.
    Again, as a society we are more than willing to spend time and money to regulate, restrict, ban, and improve aspects of the automobile to improve safety. All most people are asking is that the gun consistency be equal amenable.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Do you find it at all strange that so many of these incidents occurred in gun-free zones?
    Not at all. Gun free zones are fundamentally a silly idea other than it gives the police/officials some right to confiscate a gun rather just having to observe someone. At the other extreme, its also silly to think the death penalty somehow stops this activity. In fact, you can't stop the activity, all you can do is slow it down... or limit the carnage.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Not at all. Gun free zones are fundamentally a silly idea other than it gives the police/officials some right to confiscate a gun rather just having to observe someone. At the other extreme, its also silly to think the death penalty somehow stops this activity. In fact, you can't stop the activity, all you can do is slow it down... or limit the carnage.
    Gun free zones are like anything else...law abiding citizens will comply...its like any other law...you cant committ armed robbery but it still happens hundreds of times a month...you cant rape but it happens everyday...you cant break and enter it happens every day.
    Gun laws are no different, there are those that have the mindset that gun restrictions will not matter too. Thats the conundrum.
    You cant stop criminals from getting guns in america...there are MILLIONS out there that govt has no knowledge of and have changed hands so many times they could never be tracked down...Uncle Steve died he has 12 guns his male relatives all took one...they sold it to joe blow...joe blow sold it to harry canarry...etc...so if you have all these millions of guns already out there how the hell is banning a few assault rifles and magazine sizes going to change anything ? throw in more background checks and even abolish gun shows. Make more stringent background checks....I dont see any of that slowing crime down....you cannot stop the people so inclined...especially the mentally whacked like these kids that commit these school shootings....I honestly dont see it...If I truly thought it would stop it or slow it down I would be for it.

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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Jefferson quotes were the same. So it wouldn't matter it came from.


    Nnno. The right uses propaganda, persecution of minorities, union busting, gerrymandering, demogary and intimidation of political oppents, and voter disenfranchisment to gain political power. The left still uses the ballot box.

    You're very good at twisting my words. But I can see you know exactly what I meant. So nice try, BmanMcFly but that pig don't fly.
    Ok, are you a troll, or so whole heatedly partisan that you can't or won't even put a half a thought worth of examining your position.

    Using minorities?? You mean like calling people that opposed Obamacare racist?

    You mean union busting like how Obama signed a bailout that paid gm to move union jobs to mexico and china??

    Using voter disenfranchisement on a campaign of "hope and change"??

    Funny though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, as a society we are more than willing to spend time and money to regulate, restrict, ban, and improve aspects of the automobile to improve safety. All most people are asking is that the gun consistency be equal amenable.
    Yes, and you improve safety by promoting a healthy gun culture where most people are armed and trained in the use of those weapons. Think back to when being self-sufficient was the standard, almost everyone had a gun and bank robberies were national headlines... Though theres a great many more differences from people 100 years ago to today.

    It's education, responsibility and training that will make the streets safer, not restricting and limiting firearms for law abiding citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    and yes most gun deaths are innocents too. Wives and chidren murdered by the very thing that was "supposed" to protect them. How sad is that? Leavng a loaded gun around is about the most dangerous thing you can do for your family. Why do so many still insist on doing it?

    I agree we need to keep reducing auto fatalities too. Govt. safety regulations have already reduced them by over 90% oer mile traveled. But we still need to do more, just like we need to do more with gun safety.
    There are many husbands and wives that kill their significant other (mostly its the man that kills the woman though), and they do this with knives, hammers, poison, drowning, beating with fists, and any other way that's ever been thought up for people to kill each other LONG BEFORE any guns were around... He'll, most anything in your house could be used as a weapon in the right circumstance... The fact is that people can be dangerous.

    You could have a gun on your hip for years and never have to pull it out outside of a gun range, and most people with guns do just that, but the fact is that you are about 80 times more likely to see a crime stopped with a gun than committed with a gun, and 75% of gun crimes are gang related anyway...

    So, until we eliminate crime from society, then we can talk about banning guns, but even then there's wildlife to deal with also, so, even then it may not be entirely prudent.

    Unless you get lucky, If you are the victim of a crime, gun related or not, the police cannot help you until they get there in avg 15 min... Then they take the report of the crime and investigate accordingly.

    And even then, you only increase your odds of a better outcome, you can have a weapon and still be a victim, nothing is certain o course, but why would you want to be an easy victim??
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cuomo sort of bitch slapped your feigned ignorance into cyberspace
    Pray tell how? Not another of your overreacting is there?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? accidental shootings go down and down and down

    suicides-I prefer people use guns-far less likely to hurt innocents
    Accept those who take others with them. Going up? Going down? Doesn't change what I said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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